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Date:      Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:15:23 +0100
From:      Stijn Hoop <stijn@win.tue.nl>
To:        Varshavchick Alexander <alex@metrocom.ru>
Cc:        questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Softupdates
Message-ID:  <20020131101523.D523@pcwin002.win.tue.nl>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0201311119200.29608-100000@apache.metrocom.ru>; from alex@metrocom.ru on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 11:45:10AM %2B0300
References:  <20020131021257.193F44078@i8k.babbleon.org> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0201311119200.29608-100000@apache.metrocom.ru>

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On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 11:45:10AM +0300, Varshavchick Alexander wrote:
> Hi people,
>=20
> now after this discussion about softupdates let's try summing up things a
> little. We're talking about a productive boxes where risk of losing
> data should be minimal (but of cause the speed is also important). There
> seems to be the following main conclusions:
>=20
> 1. Softupdates by themselves are not too risky;
> 2. Write caching should be better turned off in this case;
> 3. For the SCSI drives it can be considered enabling write caching.
>=20
> But in any case all these trouble cannot be suffered for nothing, we're
> hoping to get improvements in speed or anything in the end. So the
> question is has any of you any practical experience as for the effect
> which was gained? Are the softupdates really that usefull in real life,
> and what we lose in speed if we turn off write caching as was suggested?
>=20
> So is the speed/reliability ratio worth trying it?

Check the archives around 4.3-RELEASE; *a lot* of people were complaining
that *BSD was slow on their ATA desktops, at least a lot slower compared
to Linux. Add that to the fact that in normal usage where admins don't
do a rm -r /very/big/dir right before a shutdown, write caching on hasn't
been a problem for most FreeBSD users, made people decide to turn
it back on by default.

Yes it's more reliable if it's off. If you're paranoid about losing
data, by all means make your computer slower.

But first of all *check the archives*.

Note that this is not directed at you specifically, but at this whole
thread, which is a complete rehash of the previous discussion, which
was a rehash of the discussion before that, etc. etc.

--Stijn

--=20
I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence.  There's a k=
nob
called `brightness', but it doesn't work."
		-- Gallagher

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