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Date:      Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:11:07 +1000
From:      Peter Jeremy <PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au>
To:        David Leimbach <dleimbac@gmail.com>
Cc:        hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Fwd: 5-STABLE kernel build with icc broken
Message-ID:  <20050329111107.GD69824@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <5bbfe7d405032823232103d537@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 2005-Mar-28 23:23:19 -0800, David Leimbach wrote:
>meant to send this to the list too... sorry
>> Are you implying DragonFly uses FPU/SIMD?  For that matter does any kernel?
>
>I believe it does use SIMD for some of it's fast memcopy stuff for
>it's messaging system
>actually.  I remember Matt saying he was working on it.
>
>http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/kernel/2004-04/msg00262.html

That's almost a year ago and specifically for the amd64.  Does anyone
know what the results were?

>If you can manage the alignment issues it can be a huge win.

For message passing within the kernel, you should be able to mandate
alignment as part of the API.

I see the bigger issue being the need to save/restore the SIMD
engine's state during a system call.  Currently, this is only saved on
if a different process wants to use the SIMD engine.  For MMX, the
SIMD state is the FPU state - which is non-trivial.  The little
reading I've done suggests that SSE and SSE2 are even larger.

Saving the SIMD state would be more expensive that using integer
registers for small (and probably medium-sized) copies.

-- 
Peter Jeremy



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