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Date:      Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:43:10 -0800
From:      Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>
To:        "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" <unixmania@gmail.com>
Cc:        svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r201477 - head/games/fortune/datfiles
Message-ID:  <4B477CBE.6090000@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <e71790db1001080343n89fe68r1c6f937a951501a3@mail.gmail.com>
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Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote:
> 2010/1/8 Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org>:
>> Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
>>> I don't see how the Rumsfeld quote could offend anyone.
>> A) Better safe than sorry
>> B) Regardless of my own opinions I can easily see how someone could be
>> offended by anything having to do with Rumsfeld, the Iraq war, etc.
> 
> Perhaps, at the moment.

Which is where we are now, yes.

> Five to ten years from now that quotation will
> be just history, like the ones from/about JFK, Richard Nixon, and
> Spiro Agnew.

Actually there are several things in the main fortunes file that I
find offensive related to political stuff of the 60's and 70's
(although not for the reasons that I think most people would find them
offensive). Note, I am not however suggesting that we do a wholesale
move of potentially offensive stuff.

> Are you whiling to apply such rule to all supposedly
> political fortunes?

My very first post on this was, "Anything that may offend someone
belongs in fortunes-o, and all political commentary belongs in this
category."

FWIW, while I am definitely in favor of treating all people with
courtesy and respect,  I am just about as
anti-mindless-political-correctness as you can possibly be. In fact,
in both my .bashrc and my xscreensaver config I use fortune -a because
as much as some of the things in there offend me, I find it refreshing
to be challenged by other viewpoints. OTOH, I am also in favor of us
building a professional-quality operating system, and while I actually
_voiced_ my objection to the removal of
"die_you_gravy_sucking_pig_dog" because that is not something that is
user-visible, I think that if we SAY there is a distinction between
fortunes and fortunes-o that we ought to follow through on that.
Putting something that we know could (and almost certainly will) be
found offensive in the fortunes file because WE are smarter and more
sophisticated than those fools who would be offended by it is
childish, foolish, and unprofessional.


Doug

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