Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:22:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton <DougB@FreeBSD.org> To: Mike Silbersack <silby@silby.com> Cc: Paul Traina <pst@pst.org>, Peter Wemm <peter@wemm.org>, <committers@FreeBSD.org>, <freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: IP port ephemeral range Message-ID: <20020424120734.O67562-100000@master.gorean.org> In-Reply-To: <20020423233952.V1720-100000@patrocles.silby.com>
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[ Re-directing to -arch to get a wider audience involved. ] On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Mike Silbersack wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Doug Barton wrote: > > > Mike, > > > > I appreciate your eagerness to get this change out to our > > userbase, but I really think it's too big a change for releng_4. I > > personallly would really like to see the whole thing backed out in that > > branch, and give the code time to gel in -current. What do you think? > > I think you stated it best a few days ago, Doug: > > "I'm really beginning to sympathize with obrien's perspective that > doing anything useful around here isn't worth having to put up with the > kibitzing." Funny you should quote that... while I still believe that it's true, I eventually realized that _some_ of the kibitzing was valid, and that some of the changes I merged into -stable were too much, so I backed them out. > I'm happy to work with Paul. He has stated a valid complaint, and > has helped to determine what an acceptable solution would be. However, I > can't hold up MFCing changes forever just because people believe that > releng_4 should never change. I am not suggesting that, nor do I believe it. In fact, quite the opposite, I'm a vigorous campaigner for mfc's, especially during this loooong development cycle for 5.0. However, I am concerned that the change you've pushed through is too much of a POLA violation, if it's even a good idea. This change hasn't been put in a release yet, so it's not too late to back it out of releng_4 with minimal disruption to the users. > The idea of just leaving such a change in -current for comment isn't > working. The change which started this debate was commited to current > over a month ago. Aside from Peter, I heard very little comment before > the change was MFC'd. I've already apologized once for missing this discussion. I can't imagine I'm the only one who did. > We have a month-long code freeze coming up, that should be more than > enough time for the changes to get tested. Given that this is still a work in progress, I don't think one month is enough. We are relying heavily on the 4.x branch to be something users can cling to while we finish the 5.0 development. I think that this is the wrong time for a change like this, even if you do get the bugs worked out of -current. -- "We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power. And in this great conflict, ... we will see freedom's victory." - George W. Bush, President of the United States State of the Union, January 28, 2002 Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message
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