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Date:      Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:39:10 -0600
From:      Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org>
To:        =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Sp=F6rlein?= <uqs@spoerlein.net>
Cc:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Alexander Motin <mav@freebsd.org>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Increasing MAXPHYS
Message-ID:  <9524C333-F191-4F7A-A5FA-BD52498169C0@samsco.org>
In-Reply-To: <20100321163051.GT99813@acme.spoerlein.net>
References:  <4BA4E7A9.3070502@FreeBSD.org> <201003201753.o2KHrH5x003946@apollo.backplane.com> <891E2580-8DE3-4B82-81C4-F2C07735A854@samsco.org> <20100321163051.GT99813@acme.spoerlein.net>

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On Mar 21, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Ulrich Sp=F6rlein wrote:
> On Sat, 20.03.2010 at 12:17:33 -0600, Scott Long wrote:
>> Windows has a MAXPHYS equivalent of 1M.  Linux has an equivalent of =
an
>> odd number less than 512k.  For the purpose of benchmarking against =
these
>> OS's, having comparable capabilities is essential; Linux easily beats =
FreeBSD
>> in the silly-i/o-test because of the MAXPHYS difference (though =
FreeBSD typically
>> stomps linux in real I/O because of vastly better latency and caching =
algorithms).
>> I'm fine with raising MAXPHYS in production once the problems are =
addressed.
>=20
> Hi Scott,
>=20
> while I'm sure that most of the FreeBSD admins are aware of "silly"
> benchmarks where Linux I/O seems to dwarf FreeBSD, do you have some
> pointers regarding your statement that FreeBSD triumphs for real-world
> I/O loads? Can this be simulated using iozone, bonnie, etc? More
> importantly, is there a way to do this file system independently?
>=20

iozone and bonnie tend to be good at testing serialized I/O latency; =
each read and write is serialized without any buffering.  My experience =
is that they give mixed results, sometimes they favor freebsd, sometime =
linux, sometimes it's a wash, all because they are so sensitive to =
latency.  And that's where is also gets hard to have a "universal" =
benchmark; what are you really trying to model, and how does that model =
reflect your actual workload?  Are you running a single-instance, single =
threaded application that is sensitive to latency?  Are you running a =
multi-instance/multi-threaded app that is sensitive to bandwidth?  Are =
you operating on a single file, or on a large tree of files, or on a raw =
device?  Are you sharing a small number of relatively stable file =
descriptors, or constantly creating and deleting files and truncating =
space?=



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