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Date:      Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:20:31 +0100
From:      "Simon L. Nielsen" <simon@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Peter Jeremy <peterjeremy@optushome.com.au>
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, perryh@pluto.rain.com
Subject:   Re: [patch] rm can have undesired side-effects
Message-ID:  <20061030202030.GB1043@zaphod.nitro.dk>
In-Reply-To: <20061030103151.GD871@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org>
References:  <20061029222847.GA68272@marvin.astase.com> <20061030003628.42bc5f8d@loki.starkstrom.lan> <45455f6a.yNcc0kkyEKpoRv3m%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20061030083849.GB871@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20061030103151.GD871@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org>

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On 2006.10.30 21:31:51 +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-Oct-30 19:38:49 +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote:
> >the user is unaware that there are multiple links.  I don't think
> >that just unlinking the file and issuing a warning is a good solution
> >because it's then virtually impossible to locate the other copy(s)
> >of the file, which remains viewable.
> 
> I missed the fact that the warning message includes the inode number.
> My apologies.  This reduces "virtually impossible" to "hard".
> 
> I still think this current behaviour is undesirable and a security
> hole.  Maybe someone from the SO team would like to offer their
> opinion - I might just have my tinfoil hat on too tight tonight.

<With hat "paranoid dude", and not any official FreeBSD hat - I don't
care to think this through enough to say anything with a FreeBSD hat
for the time being, on this topic>

Personally I think rm should do what you ask it to do - if you ask it
to overwrite a file which has multiple links, well... though luck.  I
guess rm exiting for antifootshoot without -f can be OK, that's still
very visible to the user.  What's currently in -CURRENT is probably a
bad idea since you might end up with a file which you thought you had
deleted, but in fact you haven't.

That said, I wouldn't trust -P to _really_ remove the content of the
files anyway, so personally I don't really care much.  If you want the
file to be gone, use encryption in the first place, or use apropriate
tool (hammer, axe, C4, etc.).

</>

-- 
Simon L. Nielsen



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