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Date:      Sat, 4 Jan 2014 05:59:45 -0500
From:      Jason Hellenthal <jhellenthal@dataix.net>
To:        Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org>
Cc:        "rc@freebsd.org" <rc@freebsd.org>, Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org>, "Teske, Devin" <Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com>, "net@freebsd.org" <net@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: network.subr _aliasN handling
Message-ID:  <A15FAFBD-4597-4D8D-A014-0D486573894C@dataix.net>
In-Reply-To: <7DBA7D58-E925-47BC-967C-F653348426A6@fisglobal.com>
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I believe I know what you mean by that but in a way scares me when you say s=
ort as in mixing up the original order they appear in which I would find to b=
e really unattractive to most.

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 Jason Hellenthal
 Voice: 95.30.17.6/616
 JJH48-ARIN

> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:29, "Teske, Devin" <Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com> wrote:=

>=20
>=20
>> On Jan 3, 2014, at 10:28 PM, Jason Hellenthal wrote:
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>> Alright something is a little off about this from a running standpoint it=
 did what it is meant to do.
>>=20
>> Bug1: it seems to have looped back over itself reissuing two addresses fr=
om the top of the list.
>>=20
>> Test case:
>> I have aliases 0-14 used numbered as such.
>> Aliases 0-7 are ipv6
>> Aliases 8-14 are ipv4
>>=20
>> I commented out alias 2 and 6 to break up consecutive order.
>>=20
>> Alias 8 & 9 appeared to have been run after alias 14.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Something is awry but I can't quite pick out what it is yet.
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> Sounds like I need to add some numerical sorting.
> --=20
> Devin
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>>=20
>>> On Dec 28, 2013, at 23:24, "Teske, Devin" <Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com> wr=
ote:
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>>>=20
>>>> On Dec 27, 2013, at 9:53 PM, <jhellenthal@dataix.net> wrote:
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>>>> Curious what everyone's opinion would be on modifying the handling of _=
aliasN functions or providing a wrapper around it to handle non-sequential o=
rdering.
>>>>=20
>>>> My goal on this is simple and based around groupings similiar to that o=
f the way user id(1)'s in passwd and group are handled or denoted for use on=
 modern systems.
>>>>=20
>>>> I.e.: I would like to achieve this...
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>>>> *_alias[1-99] =3D System type addresses "Importand addresses or interna=
l"
>>>> *_alias[100-199] =3D Aliases for interface 1
>>>> *_alias[200-299] =3D Aliases for interface 2
>>>> etc...
>>>>=20
>>>> NOt looking to achieve some sort of prefered naming convention for the i=
nterface aliases, but loosen them so they may be defined by the user in what=
ever means neccesary to their benefit.
>>>>=20
>>>> In a scheme similiar to above I attempted to set an address on every ot=
her 4th alias leaving 3 space rule room for insertion of further addresses b=
ut was surprised when the processing of the aliases ceased at the first non-=
sequential space.
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>>>> So why not just grab every _aliasN no matter of what it is for the inte=
rface and shove them into an arrary to be processed by a "for" statement ? t=
he order would still be kept without having to inspect every defintion of al=
ias and incrementing prehistorically.
>>>>=20
>>>> As well this could provide early loading of the addresses into their re=
spective arrays so they may be processed and provided to any other functions=
 that may need to access them earlier on in script fallthrough.
>>>>=20
>>>> Looking at _alias'N' sequentialy feels like a neucense.
>>>=20
>>> You mean something like the attached?
>>> --=20
>>> Devin
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