Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:18:18 -0600 From: "J. Seth Henry" <jshenry@net-noise.com> To: <levothyroxine@hotmail.com> Cc: <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: This will replace Linux? Message-ID: <006601c067b6$797e4100$0e01a8c0@guinevere>
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C06784.2E8695D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mr. Lynch, I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience with BSD. I find it to be = superior to Linux and Windows in just about every conceivable way, save = hardware support. Let me try to go through your list, and see if I can = clear a few things up. >>> A few lessons: 1. Installed means installed - not downloaded, not archived, installed. I don't understand the complaint? I found the FreeBSD installer to be = one of the most straightforward, easy to use installers I've ever seen. = You can install with nothing more than two floppy disks and a working = Internet connection. Except for the lack of graphics, which is a recent = add-on to Linux, it is a lot more advanced. 2. Copy and paste are viable concepts in any OS. Sure, this works the same as in Linux. You use the mouse (if you have a = mouse daemon loaded) in the exact same way - otherwise, it is = application specific. 3. RPM is not installed and also mentioned nowhere in "The Complete=20 FreeBSD". A little professional jealousy? FreeBSD has a *much* more powerful system called pkg_add. Instead of one = tool, there are several - pkg_add, pkg_delete, pkg_info, etc. There is a = complete list of human readable package info in /var/db/pkg. It is = simpler, and more powerful than RPM in just about every possible way. If = you still want RPM's, you can always install it - but I find I don't = require RPM at all. On the rare occasion I need an RPM, I temporarily = compile it - and then delete it. 4. If you can't support what you sell, and you obviously can't, go wash=20 dishes and do something constructive. It's a free operating system. Nevertheless, you have options. There is = BSDi, which sells BSD/OS and provides commercial support - much like = many of the commercial Linux vendors. If you don't want to pay, I have = found these mailing lists to be very helpful. Running any free OS = requires a bit more work, though. You are expected to at least research = the problem. 5. I don't know anyone at FreeBSD and for that I am truly grateful. That is a shame, and your loss. I have corresponded with a number of = folks responsible for FreeBSD components, such as Mr. Lehey - who wrote = the vinum volume manager among other things. They have always been most = helpful, and extremely knowledgeable. Despite the fact that this is a = free OS, they are nevertheless quite professional. 6. Netscape has just informed me that someone is running on my desktop, = that=20 has never happened with ny other system. I don't understand this at all. Please clarify this statement, if you = don't mind. In total rage, Calm down, please. Remember, there are plenty of decaffeinated brands on = the market that are just as tasty as the real thing... ;) Seth Henry jshenry@net-noise.com ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C06784.2E8695D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mr. Lynch,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm sorry to hear about your bad = experience with=20 BSD. I find it to be superior to Linux and Windows in just about every=20 conceivable way, save hardware support. Let me try to go through = your list,=20 and see if I can clear a few things up.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>>></FONT></DIV> <DIV>A few lessons:<BR>1. Installed means installed - not downloaded, = not=20 archived, installed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't understand the complaint? I = found the=20 FreeBSD installer to be one of the most straightforward, easy to = use=20 installers I've ever seen. You can install with nothing more than two = floppy=20 disks and a working Internet connection. Except for the lack of = graphics, which=20 is a recent add-on to Linux, it is a lot more advanced.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>2. Copy and paste are viable concepts in any OS.<BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sure, this works the same as in Linux. = You use the=20 mouse (if you have a mouse daemon loaded) in the exact same way - = otherwise, it=20 is application specific.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>3. RPM is not installed and also mentioned nowhere in "The Complete = <BR>FreeBSD". A little professional jealousy?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>FreeBSD has a *much* more powerful = system called=20 pkg_add. Instead of one tool, there are several - pkg_add, pkg_delete, = pkg_info,=20 etc. There is a complete list of human readable package info in=20 /var/db/pkg. It is simpler, and more powerful than RPM in just about = every=20 possible way. If you still want RPM's, you can always install it - but I = find I=20 don't require RPM at all. On the rare occasion I need an RPM, I = temporarily=20 compile it - and then delete it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>4. If you can't support what you sell, and you obviously can't, go = wash=20 <BR>dishes and do something constructive.<BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's a free operating system. = Nevertheless, you=20 have options. There is BSDi, which sells BSD/OS and provides commercial = support=20 - much like many of the commercial Linux vendors. If you don't want to = pay, I=20 have found these mailing lists to be very helpful. Running any free OS = requires=20 a bit more work, though. You are expected to at least research the=20 problem.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>5. I don't know anyone at FreeBSD and for that I am truly = grateful.</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That is a shame, and your loss. I have = corresponded=20 with a number of folks responsible for FreeBSD components, such as Mr. = Lehey -=20 who wrote the vinum volume manager among other things. They have always = been=20 most helpful, and extremely knowledgeable. Despite the fact that this is = a free=20 OS, they are nevertheless quite professional.</FONT></DIV><FONT = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR>6. Netscape has just = informed me that=20 someone is running on my desktop, that <BR>has never happened with ny = other=20 system.<BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't understand this at all. Please = clarify this=20 statement, if you don't mind.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT><BR>In total=20 rage,<BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Calm down, please. Remember, there are = plenty of=20 decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real = thing...=20 ;)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Seth Henry</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20 href=3D"mailto:jshenry@net-noise.com">jshenry@net-noise.com</A></FONT></D= IV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C06784.2E8695D0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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