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Date:      Sun, 11 May 2003 18:34:17 -0600
From:      Scott Long <scott_long@btc.adaptec.com>
To:        Doug Barton <DougB@freebsd.org>
Cc:        re@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: sysinstall non-USB mouse dialog confusing
Message-ID:  <3EBEEC09.60505@btc.adaptec.com>
In-Reply-To: <20030511162527.B13689@znfgre.qbhto.arg>
References:  <20030511151529.K13689@znfgre.qbhto.arg> <20030511232220.GA66670@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030511162527.B13689@znfgre.qbhto.arg>

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Doug Barton wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2003, David O'Brien wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Sun, May 11, 2003 at 03:22:00PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
>>
>>>Since I think the pendulum has swung over towards USB mice being the
>>>majority, I think a better flow for this would be something like:
>>
>>I don't argue that the double negative is confusing.
> 
> 
> Cool, we agree on that much. :)
> 
> 
>>I don't think you can claim any pendulum shifting yet.  Looking around my
>>home office and a large 200 person area at work; USB mice are still an
>>order of magnitude less prevalent (except with laptops).  I don't think
>>you can use such an argument for swaying things that way.
> 
> 
> Well, I would disagree that USB mice aren't much more common nowadays, but
> the other line of reasoning that I neglected to make explicity in my post
> is that OTHER usb devices are becoming much more common as well, and there
> is not currently an "enable usb support" dialog in sysinstall other than
> the very confusing one for mice. Therefore, I think the more generalized
> wording below is more suitable.
> 

FWIW, the latest set of Intel server motherboards have no ps/2
connectors at all.  There is definitely an effort underway to swing
the pendulum.

> 
>>>Enable USB support for mice, and other USB devices? [Yes] No
>>>Enable support for a PS/2 (non-USB) mouse? Yes [No]
>>
>>The defaults should be "No" for both.  The pre-USB mouse default of "no"
>>was most likely with servers in mind.  I don't see any more servers
>>having USB mice than had PS/2 mice.
> 
> 
> I don't think sysinstall is generally used for most server installations,
> however I'm willing to compromise on the defaults if others think the same
> way.
> 
> Doug
> 

How about a compromise?  Change "Do you have a non-USB mouse attached"
to "Do you have a USB mouse attached".  Leaving the default answer to
'no' means that users that don't read well get dumped into the moused
dialog, which is probably ok.  Dunno.

Scott



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