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Date:      Sun, 6 Sep 1998 09:37:56 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Chuck Robey <chuckr@glue.umd.edu>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>
Cc:        eivind@yes.no, oppermann@pipeline.ch, current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: HEADS UP: 3.0 enters BETA status in 12 days!
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.00.9809060936190.21019-100000@picnic.mat.net>
In-Reply-To: <199809060706.AAA13908@usr01.primenet.com>

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On Sun, 6 Sep 1998, Terry Lambert wrote:

> > I just checked Kirk's posts about it, and Andre falls into a hole
> > between where Kirk did and didn't specify.
> > 
> > He said private, non-coomercial was free.
> > 
> > He said companies that package it and sell it embedded should pay, and
> > that included ISPs, but there the example was ISPs who put a machine at
> > a customer's site.
> > 
> > As far as ISPs using it themselves, it's unclear.  Kirk gave an example
> > of someone at work using on their workstation, and he said that was
> > free.  I'd guess Eivind's right, you'd have to check it with Kirk
> > McKusick.
> 
> 
> I disagree.  A one-off installation is clearly covered in the "I
> would like you to donate, but yoyu are note required to" case.

I was working from his own posts to current, and only that, not from the
copyright itself.  I understand no legalese at all.  Everything I found,
it's all there in the archives, but I guess you found more?

> 
> The case where you are required to is the case where you resell
> software the depends on the features.
> 
> For Whistle, this includes all kernel code, since the new version
> of WhistleWare (repackaged FreeBSD) depends on the code.  A side
> benefit of this is that Whistle paid for a FreeBSD port, which
> would not have existed otherwise, and a number of bug-fixes which
> both Kirk and BSDI benefitted from.
> 
> I think for a specifric ISP, so long as a derived work were not
> distributed, there is a request for support, but no requirement.
> Kirk is not RMS, and he understands economies of Intellectual
> property, where RMS does not.
> 
> In any case, if you are in a quandry, ask.  I think the answer,
> unless you intend to resell the code (which ISP's do not), will
> be "go ahead an use it".
> 
> The main issue is that if you make money off his effort, he wants
> to make money, too.
> 
> This isn't unreasoanble.
> 
> 
> 					Terry Lambert
> 					terry@lambert.org
> ---
> Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
> or previous employers.
> 
> 

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