Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 14:51:03 +0000 From: "Teske, Devin" <Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com> To: Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Cc: Eitan Adler <lists@eitanadler.com>, Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org>, Justin Edward Muniz <justin.muniz@maine.edu>, FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, Kris Moore <kris@pcbsd.org> Subject: Re: GSoC: PKGNG GUI Proposal Available for Review Message-ID: <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D7201F35010@ltcfiswmsgmb21> In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1305031032370.52963@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <CA%2BnOTRimkwQXEen8HFXUfbdqm64J01AdKw7PuiEVOpgDXrxWjQ@mail.gmail.com> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1305031032370.52963@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
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On May 3, 2013, at 1:33 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: good for today and future ladmins that cannot type a command. Any USEFUL proposals that add some real functionality? WIth great respect, I disagree with the dismissal that a GUI itself cannot = bring value that a command-line tool couldn't otherwise bring to the table. For example, in a stateful modal dialog, I believe that part of the value-a= dd is seeing realtime calculations being performed based on user input. For= a concrete example, imagine as you are checking/unchecking boxes of what t= o install, if the GUI continually keeps up-to-date a display of selected de= pendencies (packages and leaves), then that is something that on the comman= d-line tool is more difficult. What is the value-add in that you may say? Exploring, of course! Imagine th= at you have a need to fill, you go into a particular package category, and = are faced with 5 things that all fill the same basic need -- but perhaps al= l but one has a massive runtime dependency list, so you choose that one. In= this example, the GUI is far superior to command-line tools. I'm actually taking the same approach in the design of "bsdconfig packages"= (visible here: http://twitpic.com/ci2rid ) in that the TUI based managemen= t will aim to give you all that extra value-added information that would ot= herwise take multiple command-line queries and extra effort to correlate. I argue that the goal should not be to develop tools that are useful for (a= s you call them) "ladmins" =85 but develop tools that the developers themse= lves find useful. I personally feel that I myself have failed as a developer if I ever develo= p a tool that I don't use myself (or at least find useful in replacing an o= ld way of doing something that is much more difficult). -- Devin P.S. I'm sorry=85 but that callous remark sparked a fire in me. Had to set = the record straight=85 we need to give this student a running chance -- don= 't dare say this won't be useful (I've read the project proposal=85 it's go= od and it has bapt's +1 iirc, so that makes it good as gold basically) On Fri, 3 May 2013, Justin Edward Muniz wrote: Thank you everyone for helping me create a suitable project to propose. I have submitted a draft of my proposal, though I am still in the process of enhancing it. If anyone has the time, please check it out and I'll gladly accept any feedback. I am new to Google Summer of Code, and just discovered I could update my proposal after submitting it. Initially I uploaded most of the proposal but I am still finishing the last parts. Any advice could help me (or others) develop future proposals, so I hope to hear from people even after the deadline. My proposal can be read at the following address: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/justin_= muniz/1 I appreciate you taking the time to read this email. Happy coding everyone. Justin Muniz _______________________________________________ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org<mailto:freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org<m= ailto:freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org>" _______________________________________________ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org<mailto:freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware= that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and revie= w by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you.
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