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Date:      Fri, 8 Jun 2001 17:07:28 +0000
From:      "David S. Geirsson" <andmann@andmann.eu.org>
To:        Gary Kline <kline@ns1.thought.org>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: IPFW rules and outward connections
Message-ID:  <20010608170728.D1961@bong.andmann.eu.org>
In-Reply-To: <20010608094923.A3102@tao.thought.org>; from kline@ns1.thought.org on Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 09:49:23AM -0700
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Actually, scriptkiddies trying to "r00t" your box aren't that much of a
problem. The real problem is when they DDoS you with already-rooted boxes
run by less-clued admins. :)

On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 09:49:23AM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:18:02PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > I'll relate a recent story security and access lists that may
> > interest some folks.
> > 
> 	[[ ... ]]
> 
> > This is the kind of mentality that your dealing with, with most crackers.
> > Sure, there's some really good (or warped) crackers out there who would
> > have reactivated their little toy in seconds.  But these people aren't
> > going to waste their time on something like this site.  The real mentality
> > that your dealing with, with 99% of these crackers out there are people
> > so dumb that they cannot even make a simple port number modification in
> > their code.  They barely have any understanding of networking technology and
> > even crude and simple access lists are beyond their comprehension.  All
> > they do is to follow some recipies that their betters have put together
> > for them, and if something goes wrong and the recipie doesen't work, they
> > have no idea how to go about fixing it (or breaking the system, depending
> > on your viewpoint) and so they just move on to the next easy-to-compromise
> > system.
> > 
> > This is really the situation of the street where half the homes lock their
> > doors and the other half don't.  There are so very many ancient Linux or
> > unsecured Windows systems out there that if you make even a modicum of
> > effort
> > to lock your door, since most crackers are basically morons, they are
> > unable to deal with the situation and just move on to the next house/system.
> 
> 	[[ ... ]]
> 
> 
> > [T]he point is that Hollywood makes it out that all crackers are
> > super-sophisticated
> > technologists that know computer systems back, forth and upside down, and
> > that to block them you have to have super-sophisticated methods yourself.
> > But, the reality is that most crackers are morons and even simple
> > filters and blocks that aren't themselves that good, present enough of an
> > obstacle
> > to these people that they won't be able to figure out a way around them.
> > 
> 
> 	Thanks for your tale.   It supports my theory that the overwhelming
> 	number of crackers are adolescents (of whatever age) who have time
> 	on their hasnds.   --Of course this does not sell newspapers,
> 	air-time, or movies... .
> 
> 	gary
> 
> > 
> 
> -- 
>    Gary D. Kline    kline@thought.org  www.thought.org    Public service Unix
> 
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