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Date:      Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:21:12 -0800
From:      Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org>
To:        Gavin Atkinson <gavin@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        usb@FreeBSD.org, Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@FreeBSD.org>, current@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: HEADSUP usb2/usb4bsd to become default in GENERIC
Message-ID:  <20090209202112.GN68801@elvis.mu.org>
In-Reply-To: <1234119008.7997.32.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk>
References:  <20090206045349.GQ78804@elvis.mu.org> <498C013B.4000405@FreeBSD.org> <20090208052110.GY78804@elvis.mu.org> <1234119008.7997.32.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk>

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* Gavin Atkinson <gavin@FreeBSD.org> [090208 10:50] wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-02-07 at 21:21 -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> > * Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@FreeBSD.org> [090206 01:50] wrote:
> > > Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> > > >      - Update GENERIC to use usb2 device names.
> > > 
> > > Wasn't there a plan to rename usb2 devices to match oldusb names (where 
> > > applicable) once oldusb had been killed? I don't see it in the list.
> > 
> > Probably, although coming from the other side as a user I find it pretty
> > annoying when there's somewhat gratuitous changes to the kernel config
> > files that I don't really care about that cause my kernels to break.
> 
> The vast majority of our users do not run -CURRENT, and so haven't had
> to change config files yet.
> 
> One day, those users will be migrating from 7.x to 8.x, and shouldn't
> need to change their kernel config for a "somewhat gratuitous change".
> 
> Your argument only works if people had already had to change their
> config files once (usb -> usb2), and that by renaming these back they
> will have to change their kernel config back.  Only people running
> -CURRENT will end up having to do this twice (or indeed at all) if the
> rename takes place, end users will not need to do it at all.
> 
> > Basically, calling it usb2 isn't as bad as renaming it back to "usb"
> > as it's less disruptive in my book.
> 
> Again, I disagree.

Your point is very good!  I hadn't thought about 7 users
coming to 8 and having the rename actually be a nice thing for
them.  I was a bit more concerned with backlash from developers
for churn, but your point makes a lot of sense.


thanks,
-- 
- Alfred Perlstein



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