Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:02:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Dirk Engling <erdgeist@erdgeist.org> To: Florent Thoumie <flz@xbsd.org> Cc: freebsd-rc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New jail_interface broken in 6.1-RELEASE Message-ID: <20060511203018.R84453@erdgeist.org> In-Reply-To: <1147367711.80625.24.camel@localhost> References: <20060508185155.H84453@erdgeist.org> <1147106428.2570.9.camel@localhost> <20060509124442.E84453@erdgeist.org> <1147171780.4810.19.camel@mayday.esat.net> <4463760F.7010304@erdgeist.org> <1147367711.80625.24.camel@localhost>
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On Thu, 11 May 2006, Florent Thoumie wrote: > Really, there's no -rc team. The might be 3 or 4 committers committing > in the rc area on a regular basis. Then, I think, its time for me to volunteer and try to make the best of it in future. I understand, my mail has been a little too aggressive, I didnt want to discourage you from doing _your_ volunteer work. > Really, I would have preferred you bug me about finding a solution to > your problem rather than sending such a mail. I wrote this mail in a mixture of urge to let it out and hope someone here at the list has an idea how to quickfix the situation. > I tried to make FreeBSD better and just have been over-enthusiast about > this. I understand this affects you because it affects your pet project. > Please have a look at the list of past ERRATAs. I'm not trying to be > rude nor trying to minimize my fault but software have bugs, get used to > it. Its nothing personal. I just feel discomfortable by the fact, that your mistake (hey, everyone makes mistakes) has made it into a release, apparently without any testing. Shouldnt there be a Q/A? Thats why I put the mail on list, not to embarrass you. >> a) What, if I want to run several jails on one IP address? Stopping the >> first jail on that IP would remove the alias from my interface >> subsequently taking it away from the second jail. >> b) What, if I'd chose to run a jail on host systems IP? Stop it, BAMM - >> goes my host system. > > Does it even work? Or you mean a configuration error? Sure its works, its even a thing I would everyone encourage to do. Its always a good idea to seperate services, even if you only have one IP. > d) What if I don't like default behavior? > > Then just don't use jail_interface. Jail_interface is OFF (well, empty) > by default. Ehrm, your test failed ;) So its just a matter of luck, you dont always delete the IP from all interfaces. There are other (imho better) solutions for the problem (I dont even consider one, anymore). > The feature itself is ok, mistakes around the feature are mine, and I > already apologized at least ten times in the past few days. I can do it > again, I'm *really* sorry. Please take this as a beginner's mistake. If > you don't want to use FreeBSD anymore because I made a mistake, then > don't, it's up to you. Again, its not your fault. And theres no need to take it personal. I just didn't want to let this pass. Hopefully there will be a working Q/A in future. I make mistakes, too, made them in "pet" projects as well as in projects I am paid for. And I don't think that users of my open source projects deserve less means to express their anger than my costumers. Still, I do not think the jail_if feature is a good idea, I even consider it contra-productive. But thats not subject to discussion, anymore. > Note2: Fortunately it was rc.d/jail and not rc.subr, I would have > received hundreds of angry mails. You may have had received them a lot earlier, though. Regards, erdgeist
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