Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:54:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian McGroarty <bvmcg@yahoo.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, brian@pobox.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Marketing FreeBSD / FreeBSD as a pr Message-ID: <19990807055408.22509.rocketmail@web1005.mail.yahoo.com>
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a) If helping people help you is such a burden, have some of these people you've helped along help the next people. b) You never ASKED for my qualifications. Instead you assumed I was a yutz and began making personal attacks. I've participated in the production of nearly 20 software products for companies such as Microsoft, Midway, Interplay, Atari and Lego Media and have had involvement in marketing and production work for the Chicago Bulls, High Voltage Software, GNB Battery and numerous smaller clients. c) All I asked for from you was an indication that help would be welcome in this area - that I wouldn't incur more attacks for putting forth an offer. Instead, I get more knee-jerk responses from you - this sure looks like a canned response, not a reaction to this particular thread. "Ah. It's a Chucky/Daemon/Beastie thread. Personal insult, cast aspersions." If you're going to make this so incredibly hard because you're so incredibly busy that you haven't time to be civil, why the hell haven't you delegated the task to someone more able to deal with people? --- "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> wrote: > > For the love of Christ - I've offered some very real and > useful > > things, paying real, commercial designers to help with the > > packaging among. But I'm not going to be the first to say > that > > trying to help this group can be like pulling teeth. > > I'm also not going to be the first to say that many people who > volunteer to "help" do so with such a loose grasp of what's > involved > (or how to approach the issue) that trying to actually take > them up on > what appears to be a nice, friendly gesture turns into far > more time > and hassle than just doing it yourself would have been. > > To use one of the aviation analogies I've recently become so > fond of, > I have this feeling like I've got someone in the rear seat > bitching > that the guy in the left seat is doing a poor job of flying > the > airplane and clearly needs somebody up there who knows what > he's > doing, despite the fact that the rear-seater has no proven > flying > experience, certification or otherwise any other indication > that he's > going to do anything more than fly the aircraft into the side > of the > nearest mountain. But he's loud and strident, so I should > just turn > over the control wheel anyway and hope for the best? I don't > think > so. Give me and everyone else here some indication that you > actually > know how to fly, and fly better, and I'll be the first to hop > in the > back seat and enjoy the scenery. > > > Take my offer and stick it with your attitude. I think I've > > wasted enough time here too. > > And this, of course, does not do much to convince me that > you're > anything but another peanut-gallery partisan. Try to do > better if > you're actually serious about this. We've already established > a track > record, for better or for worse, and if you want to take this > active > of a role in things then understand that I and anyone else in > my > position would be a complete and utter fool in not demanding > to see > some similar kind of track-record in your case. You're not > just > talking about changing the color of the daemon's tennis shoes, > after > all, you're talking about making substantive changes to the > boxed > product that Walnut Creek CDROM currently ships (which you and > everyone else should know about already, having hopefully > looked at > the freebsdmall before even entering this discussion). _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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