Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:40:10 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org> To: ache@astral.msk.su (=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, j@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, kaleb@x.org Subject: Re: A couple problems in FreeBSD 2.1.0-950922-SNAP Message-ID: <199510162040.NAA25331@phaeton.artisoft.com> In-Reply-To: <LkGqPWm8c2@ache.dialup.demos.ru> from "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=" at Oct 16, 95 02:45:20 am
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> >BTW, this hack adds 24K to the size of a minimal statically linked
> >program `main() {}' and defeats the point of most of the specially named
> >routines in crt0.c. E.g., there is a special version of getenv() named
> >_getenv() to avoid the namespace pollution and bloat from getenv(), but
> >the hack calls getenv() anyway; there are special versions of read() and
> >write(), but _startup_setlocale() references things in stdio that reference
> >read() and write().
>
> And what? Now too many pgms require proper locale support, even ls,
> so we can't avoid this thing. Code added regardles of
> ENABLE_STARTUP_LOCALE set or not, so 'hack' means this variable
> as I understand and not code added. As I already say,
> I can revert default case to pick ctype and use variable
> DISABLE_STARTUP_LOCALE to disable it for debugging purposes.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Why do we think ls requires this?
Because the default locale is 'C', doesn't mean that the default locale
should not be ISO 8 bit clean.
Also, programs whose output is limited in this fashion should be
explicitly calling setlocale(), or they are only half-assed in their
attempt to support internationalization.
In the case that it is explicitly called (ie: programs supposedly using
these features), then the hack is unnecessary.
Likewise, if the program is *not* using theses features, then they
should stick their ugly noses into the tent uninvited.
Terry Lambert
terry@lambert.org
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