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Date:      Sun, 30 Nov 2014 22:51:09 -0800
From:      Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>
To:        Garrett Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com>
Cc:        svn-src-projects@freebsd.org, "src-committers@freebsd.org" <src-committers@freebsd.org>, Garrett Cooper <ngie@freebsd.org>, Jilles Tjoelker <jilles@stack.nl>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r275219 - projects/building-blocks/share/skel
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.. is vi marked as a tool required for building (ie, ex) ?


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On 30 November 2014 at 20:27, Garrett Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 30, 2014, at 12:25, Jilles Tjoelker <jilles@stack.nl> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:07:16PM +0000, Garrett Cooper wrote:
>>> Author: ngie
>>> Date: Fri Nov 28 22:07:16 2014
>>> New Revision: 275219
>>> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/275219
>>
>>> Log:
>>>  Install skeleton files based on the values of MK_MAIL and MK_TCSH
>>
>>>  Customize according to MK_GAMES and MK_VI, in particular comment out l=
ines
>>>  that would change behavior
>>
>>>  Change dot.cshrc and dot.profile to not check for /usr/games/fortune b=
ased
>>>  on the new behavior in customizing the files
>>
>> Hmm, this assumes a rather specific use case: selecting a particular
>> combination of options, building everything and installing everything
>> what was built.
>>
>> In particular, the run-time check for /usr/games/fortune was there
>> because a user might not install /usr/games, even though it was part of
>> the built release. With "packaged base", this possibility will remain
>> important.
>
> Good point.
>
> What triggered this commit was something I noticed when I fixed =E2=80=9C=
MK_VI =3D=3D no=E2=80=9D to delete vi in base, which in turn breaks the def=
ault dot files, i.e. 'export EDITOR=3Dvi=E2=80=99. MK_VI =3D=3D no doesn=E2=
=80=99t install vi with installworld, but it doesn=E2=80=99t clean it up on=
 head if you run make delete-old either, so this issue wasn=E2=80=99t appar=
ent until I started this work (and I guess no one complained about the MK_V=
I =3D=3D no case before now). To err on the safe side, I can add a `if [ -x=
 /usr/bin/vi ]; then ; fi` around the export EDITOR line if you like =E2=80=
=94 however many other OS distros (Fedora Linux, IllumOS, Ubuntu Linux, etc=
) don=E2=80=99t ship with defaults =E2=80=94 is this something we should do=
 as well?
>
> vi is also implicitly required for the build when building some files in =
share/termcap, as the build calls ex on the files, but that=E2=80=99s a sid=
enote.
>
>> Also, dotfiles might be shared between systems by users.
>
> Yes, but shouldn=E2=80=99t the person customizing the system know what fi=
les are being distributed?
>
>> This is an objection against customizing dot.* file contents depending
>> on options, not against conditionally installing dot.* files.
>
> Ok. Something else that needs to be discussed is /usr/games being in $PAT=
H and a few other things, because this could slow down path lookups, even i=
f it=E2=80=99s a small amount (I realize the namei cache is supposed to mak=
e this less noticeable, but every little bit counts IMHO).
>
> Thanks for the input :)!



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