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Date:      Tue, 4 Feb 1997 16:28:23 -0700 (MST)
From:      Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org>
To:        grog@lemis.de
Cc:        terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: bisdn
Message-ID:  <199702042328.QAA13402@phaeton.artisoft.com>
In-Reply-To: <199702041857.TAA15699@freebie.lemis.de> from "Greg Lehey" at Feb 4, 97 07:57:33 pm

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> >>>>   Oh really?  Do you get D channels?  What do you do with them?
> >>>
> >>>  Basic rate:	2B+D
> >>
> >>  OK.  Note the second question: what do you do with them?
> >>
> >>>  US West:	2D+B
> >>
> >>  Really?  I find that hard to believe.  I suppose the question is
> >>  doubly relevant here: What do you do with them?
> >
> > Heh.  Nothing.  We avoid buying them and complain bitterly about
> > the lack of ISP Frame Relay support in the area, mostly.
> 
> Speak for yourself.  Plenty of people in the USA use ISDN.  And while
> you're at it, how about admitting (like other people do from time to
> time) that you screwed up?

Please see the list archives.  I've probably admitted to screwing
up, when I do it, more than any other poster to these lists.  I
simply don't have an emotional investment in always being right.
You'll also notice that I don't take attacks on instances of my
code as attacks on me personally (though style issues, which I
believe are irrelevant, and the values of the ideas which the code
embodies, are different matters -- I don't care how an idea is
implemented, as long as it's The Right Idea being implemented).

Now please read my followup refuting the ability to actually *get*
ISDN, as opposed to getting a *description* of ISDN from a company
that doesn't actually *provide* ISDN.  Feel free to contact US West;
I live in the 795 prefix, which is not attached to the single 5ESS
in Tucson.  If you can get me real ISDN, I will be happy to buy it
from them.  But you can't, because I can't, because they can't.


					Regards,
					Terry Lambert
					terry@lambert.org
---
Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.



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