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Date:      Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:40:20 -0600 (CST)
From:      "H. S." <security@revolutionsp.com>
To:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: A few thoughts..
Message-ID:  <62770.81.84.174.37.1112136020.squirrel@mail.revolutionsp.com>
In-Reply-To: <20050329212810.GB3199@britannica.bec.de>
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> On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 03:12:25PM -0600, H. S. wrote:
>> This could be compared to what was done in FreeBSD lately, I remember in
>> 4.7 (and probably later, up to 4.10 I think) a user could see the full
>> connection lists (even connections from other users), only later the
>> kern.ps_showallprocs/security.bsd.see_other_uids took effect for these
>> matters too.
>
> It needs time to implement and actually process such checks.

I understand, and can only congratulate the freebsd developers for the
nice programming you've all gotten us used to. I can't code C enough to be
able to do anything really complex, however I do have a noction of how
much effort is put into stuff like this.

>
>> > Have a look at mac(3), mac(4) and mac.conf(5), it's not systrace but
>> you
>> > can achieve
>> > similar results.
>>
>> Systrace is much more complex than mac.
>
> That's a good one! It's actually quite the reverse, MAC is much more
> powerful than systrace, simply because it operates on a different
> level. You can do all this kind of checks with a MAC policy, if
> something does not have the necessary hooks, complain to Robert Watson :)
>
> Joerg

Hmm, I'll furthen my MAC knowledge then :-)
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