Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:29:57 +0200 From: Florent Thoumie <flz@xbsd.org> To: Dirk Engling <erdgeist@erdgeist.org> Cc: freebsd-rc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New jail_interface broken in 6.1-RELEASE Message-ID: <1147375797.80625.36.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20060511203018.R84453@erdgeist.org> References: <20060508185155.H84453@erdgeist.org> <1147106428.2570.9.camel@localhost> <20060509124442.E84453@erdgeist.org> <1147171780.4810.19.camel@mayday.esat.net> <4463760F.7010304@erdgeist.org> <1147367711.80625.24.camel@localhost> <20060511203018.R84453@erdgeist.org>
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--=-KGqw4gIo0SwxGSwjwtQc Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 21:02 +0200, Dirk Engling wrote: > On Thu, 11 May 2006, Florent Thoumie wrote: >=20 > > Really, there's no -rc team. The might be 3 or 4 committers committing > > in the rc area on a regular basis. >=20 > Then, I think, its time for me to volunteer and try to make the best of i= t=20 > in future. I understand, my mail has been a little too aggressive, I didn= t=20 > want to discourage you from doing _your_ volunteer work. >=20 > > Really, I would have preferred you bug me about finding a solution to > > your problem rather than sending such a mail. >=20 > I wrote this mail in a mixture of urge to let it out and hope someone her= e=20 > at the list has an idea how to quickfix the situation. I broke it, I had to fix it. Be sure that this will be committed ASAP. > > I tried to make FreeBSD better and just have been over-enthusiast about > > this. I understand this affects you because it affects your pet project= . > > Please have a look at the list of past ERRATAs. I'm not trying to be > > rude nor trying to minimize my fault but software have bugs, get used t= o > > it. >=20 > Its nothing personal. I just feel discomfortable by the fact, that your=20 > mistake (hey, everyone makes mistakes) has made it into a release,=20 > apparently without any testing. Shouldnt there be a Q/A? Thats why I put=20 > the mail on list, not to embarrass you. I tested it with my setup, which apparently wasn't enough. It has been in HEAD for 3 weeks IIRC, nobody complained. I've made a mistake and learned some lessons from it. > >> a) What, if I want to run several jails on one IP address? Stopping th= e > >> first jail on that IP would remove the alias from my interface > >> subsequently taking it away from the second jail. > >> b) What, if I'd chose to run a jail on host systems IP? Stop it, BAMM = - > >> goes my host system. > > > > Does it even work? Or you mean a configuration error? >=20 > Sure its works, its even a thing I would everyone encourage to do. Its > always a good idea to seperate services, even if you only have one IP. Haven't really tried, nice to know :-) > > d) What if I don't like default behavior? > > > > Then just don't use jail_interface. Jail_interface is OFF (well, empty) > > by default. >=20 > Ehrm, your test failed ;) So its just a matter of luck, you dont always=20 > delete the IP from all interfaces. Well, my test worked because I was using jail_interface. Not the first time quoting had bitten me, but surely was the worst. > There are other (imho better) solutions for the problem (I dont even=20 > consider one, anymore). >=20 > > The feature itself is ok, mistakes around the feature are mine, and I > > already apologized at least ten times in the past few days. I can do it > > again, I'm *really* sorry. Please take this as a beginner's mistake. If > > you don't want to use FreeBSD anymore because I made a mistake, then > > don't, it's up to you. >=20 > Again, its not your fault. And theres no need to take it personal. I just= =20 > didn't want to let this pass. Hopefully there will be a working Q/A in=20 > future. I make mistakes, too, made them in "pet" projects as well as in=20 > projects I am paid for. And I don't think that users of my open source=20 > projects deserve less means to express their anger than my costumers. >=20 > Still, I do not think the jail_if feature is a good idea, I even consider= =20 > it contra-productive. Some people are quite happy with this feature (I mean, besides myself). > But thats not subject to discussion, anymore. Sure it is, that's what opensource projects are about! Discussing things and sending patches! Too bad you didn't test the patch when I asked for comments/testing :-( --=20 Florent Thoumie flz@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD Committer --=-KGqw4gIo0SwxGSwjwtQc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBEY5C1MxEkbVFH3PQRAvPBAJ90Mb9AJNSijju/dhkWqgYU1lQFKACeJPe3 nHeKDsOJ8A1JR+7KK9syOvM= =kqQw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-KGqw4gIo0SwxGSwjwtQc--
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