Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:59:16 -0400 From: Chris Brennan <xaero@xaerolimit.net> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/marketing/os-comparison.html Message-ID: <4E5D4114.6010805@xaerolimit.net> In-Reply-To: <4E5D3060.9090806@coreitpro.com> References: <4E5941D6.9090106@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <CAGH67wSVX=31t9rAUk1bkJUytYEdCHfsPuHMajBqAKJDnN=U1g@mail.gmail.com> <4E5D3060.9090806@coreitpro.com>
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This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7931BFA341B3EA4FF0D05DDA Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070003070207030009040900" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070003070207030009040900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 8/30/2011 2:48 PM, Sean M. Collins wrote: > On 8/27/11 3:32 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: >> Agreed. Things have changed quite a bit in the last decade. >=20 > I think that it also clashes with the positive tone that (I've > experienced) in most of the website copy, discussions on this mailing > list, and other parts of the FreeBSD project. >=20 > We have an awesome project, we don't really need to put down everyone > else to make ourselves look good. >=20 I wasn't implying a putdown and I don't think Garrett Cooper was either, he was merely pointing out that the technology in use today (Tuesday, August 30th, 2011) varies, radically from when http://www.freebsd.org/marketing/os-comparison.html was written way back, sometime in the year 2000. The comparison being called for to be updated, needn't be that type of comparison. If in the end, FreeBSD comes out as truly and honestly better then so be it, it turns out to be the under-appreciated underdog, then so be it too. An argument made (by us, the FreeBSD community) to point out the pros and cons of common OS types would undoubtedly hurt and benefit us as a project, but it would also illustrate why FreeBSD is good for applications A-F[1], Linux is good for A-F[1] (but for different reasons), OS-X is good for applications A-C and Microsoft Windows is good for A-C. This is a volunteer project that takes in some monetary values for certain things, but is largely a non-profit/not-for-profit organization aimed at providing a service. Clearly and objectively defining where we stand against our competition should be a major (but not or if not, take your pick) a priority of the project as a whole. If no one else has done it, then we should. Just because we can (and maybe because we should, just because we can). Oliver Heartmann has made some good points, but I tend to disagree with his philosophy. Such a project as this needn't be centered around a monetary base. This isn't a project to start mass-marketing FreeBSD to the mindless masses, but to provide prospective to the Server OS Communities, not to alienate someone because we think we're better. I also disagree with his idea that 'we should let sleeping dogs lie' and not bother to do any of this. It's something we (as a community-driven project) should have done a long time ago. What I do agree with in his views is that such a project should contain some historical perspective, we should always remember where we came from, it's a fundamental aspect to remember so we know where we are going, but that shouldn't be the only factor, at the very basic, we also need to know where we stand at present, not just in cold, hard, unfeeling numbers. But a project that thrives on diversity, much as the societies we live in. Arguments will rise, tempers will flare, people might leave (and fork, as is their right), but FreeBSD will still be here, no less then it was before (except in a slightly diminished user-base for a while). This said, everyone on these mailing lists has an experience that can be contributed to this project[2]. It does not have to be limited to just the FreeBSD Developers describing why we're superior to any other OS (and it rightly shouldn't be just their opinion). In reality, it should be a hodgepodge of opinion from every walk of life. Every person that has participated in this discussion has had different experiences with Microsoft products, BSD products, Apple products and Linux products. And those opinions and experiences are what's going to count. I think I've run out of steam for the moment ... so I shall stop here. [1] Any X-Y definition is not meant to provide any form of clearly defined values to any one OS but to illustrate hypothetical examples. [2] I repeatedly defined this discussion as project because I couldn't think of a different term to use that would aptly and/or correctly describe this discussion. --=20 > Chris Brennan > -- > A: Yes. > >Q: Are you sure? > >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ > GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------070003070207030009040900-- --------------enig7931BFA341B3EA4FF0D05DDA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOXUEeAAoJEO7NmoTVsgwM3o0H/ikgOVWvjOifMftqHNeoJ1zb d4ix0hMlcWZcTfTGVra79Uhs9kGnCHyrl8y7GPN/1wm2YJZ42pp5XtE2Yjq+5zx3 GJimPiow7DBdpkLck3SHrhIKdEZuAEAauwJL7HV4Fnfn56C5j9EebXq/FUuZlfIR bTNNyfd7HpSHqH6Qp1bUIHH5Hxa6UH4uq5ETiptKs78QlKy7rgljkkrJBTEO8jQu 1jLvX4cKt8enjBne3VQBVEKm83NFf5hYNuCyED6VxuJfxw7Srlq58slBJRhWXHjo ywbd0kBTwxfaoRNkciD/1/IZe9eO7ozTzK9EAdtoi0oZ4A3v5kcaTZuvM+tnfvA= =2Ajf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig7931BFA341B3EA4FF0D05DDA--
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