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Date:      Thu, 7 Jan 2016 12:20:53 -0800
From:      Mark Millard <markmi@dsl-only.net>
To:        Hans Petter Selasky <hps@selasky.org>
Cc:        Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>, freebsd-arm <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: FYI: various 11.0-CURRENT -r293227 (and older) hangs on arm (rpi2): a description of sorts
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On 2016-Jan-7, at 12:04 PM, Hans Petter Selasky <hps at selasky.org> =
wrote:
>=20
> On 01/07/16 20:48, Ian Lepore wrote:
>> If the filesystems and swap space are on a usb drive, then maybe it's
>> the usb subsystem that's hanging.  The wait states you showed for =
those
>> processes are consistant with what I've seen when all buffers get
>> backed up in a queue on one non-responsive or slow device.  It may be
>> that there's a way to get the system deadlocked when it's low on
>> buffers and there is memory pressure causing the swap to be used (I
>> generally run arms systems without any swap configured).
>>=20
>> Running gstat in another window while this is going on may give you
>> some insight into the situation.  Beyond that I don't know what to =
look
>> at, especially since you generally can't launch any new tools once =
the
>> system gets into this kind of state.
>>=20
>> -- Ian
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> All USB transfers towards disk devices have timeouts, so if something =
is hanging at USB level, you'll get a printout eventually.

What sort of timescale after deadlock/live-lock is observed to =
apparently have started does one have to wait in order to conclude that =
the timeouts would have happened and so they do not apply to the =
deadlock/live-lock?

> The USB kernel processes needed for doing I/O transfers are not pinned =
to RAM. Can it happen if a USB process is swapped to disk, that the =
system cannot wakeup a swapped out process to get more swap?
>=20
> --HPS

Wow. Could I use ddb to somehow check on the "USB kernel processes" swap =
status when the overall context is deadlocked/live-locked? If yes, how? =
Otherwise something in top or some such display that I'd left running =
over the serial console would have to present useful information on the =
subject. Is there anything that would?

=3D=3D=3D
Mark Millard
markmi at dsl-only.net




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