Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:53:05 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Wayne Culver <culverk@wam.umd.edu> To: "Brian T.Schellenberger" <bts@babbleon.org> Cc: "Justin L. Boss" <jlboss@yahoo.com>, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: NVIDIA 3D FreeBSD Drivers Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0203032150410.29179-100000@rac3.wam.umd.edu> In-Reply-To: <20020303162504.872E8BA03@i8k.babbleon.org>
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> > I don't think I'm missing your point, I just disagree with it. > > Instead of fighting for FreeBSD I'd rather fight for open source software, > and the nvidia Linux "solution" is to include Linux in their closed-source > world. You want them to include FreeBSD in their closed-source world as > well. > > This seems more like betrayal to the cause than fighting for the cause to me, > and I, for one, am not going to fight for that. > > A petition for them to release their information so that FreeBSD *and* other > O/S's could take advantage of their hardware--*that*, I would support. > > But not this. > So let me get this straight... You would rather wait for something that is never going to happen than see usable 3d drivers come out for FreeBSD. This is unrealistic. Nvidia is legally unable to release source for their drivers, and I think we should be happy that they want to support FreeBSD at all. There is no legal or moral obligation for them to release specs for their cards or open-source drivers. The fact that they are releasing drivers at all is enough for me (and most other people that actually want to USE the 3d support that they paid for.) Ken > > On Saturday 02 March 2002 11:05 pm, you wrote: > > You are all missing the point. This is for 3d hardware support first of > > all. I'm using a G-Force2 now and it work just fine for me too, with out 3d > > support. It is also about letting people know how many people use FreeBSD, > > its about letting hareware and software vendors know that they need to be > > writing drivers, application and games for FreeBSD because so many people > > use it. I don't like linux and I do not like comparing FreeBSD and linux > > because FreeBSD towering over linux in every way. But one thing I will say > > is that linux users are willing to fight for linux . That may be one of the > > resons why linux is more popular then FreeBSD. It sure isn't because linux > > is better. Someone will say "theirs no games for FreeBSD that use 3d > > acceleration yet" and I say "their won't be until it can support it". You > > can't put the horse before the buggy. No one can say for sure that FreeBSD > > will be around forever. I sure the FreeBSD team would say if it wasn't for > > our contbution when we get the four set cd-rom for $29-$39. If we didn't > > donate our money they would have to close down. I can't be sure but it > > takes money to make the world go round ask Enron. And the more vendors that > > support FreeBSD, the more people will use FreeBSD, the more money will come > > in and the faster freeBSD will grow and the more we will benefit. I just > > woke up so if this is screw up sorry but you get the just. > > > > On Sunday 03 March 2002 03:19 am, Benjamin Krueger wrote: > > > * Brian T . Schellenberger (bts@babbleon.org) [020303 00:26]: > > > > On Saturday 02 March 2002 10:09 am, Justin L. Boss wrote: > > > > > I know not everone uses FreeBSD for a desktop but if you like FreeBSD > > > > > and are interested in seeing it become one of the most successfully > > > > > OS ever and you think you will ever use it as a desktop and like to > > > > > have 3d support then take a minute and go to > > > > > http://nvidia.netexplorer.org/petition.html and fill out the > > > > > petition. It is your OS, fight for it. > > > > > > > > Why not just avoid nvidia entirely? Or fight for public release of the > > > > specs instead of trying to get FreeBSD added to the list of "blessed" > > > > OS's like Linux and Windows. > > > > > > > > Avoid proprietary solutions and venders of hardware that are unwilling > > > > to work with open-source code. > > > > > > Unwilling, or unable? As I've heard, they will not release specs because > > > they cannot release specs as per licensing contracts for their > > > technology. This hardly seems like a damnable offense to me, especially > > > considering it helps them build excellent hardware. > > > > > > As for the matter of not having support for NVidia cards under FreeBSD... > > > > > > [snip] > > > Section "Module" > > > Load "extmod" > > > Load "xie" > > > Load "pex5" > > > Load "glx" > > > Load "dri" > > > Load "dbe" > > > Load "record" > > > Load "freetype" > > > EndSection > > > [snip] > > > Section "Device" > > > Identifier "Card0" > > > Driver "nv" > > > VendorName "NVidia" > > > BoardName "GeForce2 MX" > > > BusID "PCI:1:5:0" > > > EndSection > > > [snip] > > > > > > My NVidia card works fine under FreeBSD for me. > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > Brian T. Schellenberger . . . . . . . bts@wnt.sas.com (work) > Brian, the man from Babble-On . . . . bts@babbleon.org (personal) > ME --> http://www.babbleon.org > http://www.eff.org <-- GOOD GUYS --> http://www.programming-freedom.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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