Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:18:42 -0800 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: "Chuck Robey" <chuckr@chuckr.org> Cc: Rob <bitabyss@gmail.com>, FreeBSD Chat <freebsd-chat@freebsd.org>, Andrew Falanga <af300wsm@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Suggestions please for what POP or IMAP servers to use Message-ID: <BMEDLGAENEKCJFGODFOCCEDKCFAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <47648E28.3010903@chuckr.org>
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> -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Robey [mailto:chuckr@chuckr.org] > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:32 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: Andrew Falanga; Rob; FreeBSD Chat > Subject: Re: Suggestions please for what POP or IMAP servers to use > > I was rather pleased when M$ had all that > trouble establishing their browser as the #1 (they finally had to give > it away). > Uh, they aren't giving it away, trust me. Every SSL certificate on every SSL server in the world that is automatically recognized by Internet Explorer without the user having to add in a root CA certificate, (ie: every commercial certificate) is chained back to one of the large SSL certificate issuers. (GTE trust, Verisign, etc.) These SSL certificates expire on a regular basis, and their owners have to continue to pay those CA's extortion money to get new certificates. Those CA's by contrast, have to continue to pay extortion money to Microsoft to a) have their root public keys included with IE distributions and b) not have Microsoft issue a root CA certificate revokement through the Windows Update mechanism. Those payments are gigantic. Imagine for a second if Verisign told Microsoft to kiss off, they were no longer going to pay Microsoft for "renting" space in the IE root certificate store. Microsoft would simply issue a root certificate revoke in Windows Updates for the Verisign public key, and a few weeks later millions of users would start getting messages that their browser was no longer recognizing the SSL certificate from ebay, paypal, Wells Fargo, etc. etc. If by some miracle those millions of users were to manually add those CA public keys into their root stores, Microsoft could merely continue to periodically issue revokements. ;-) So now you maybe understand why Microsoft chose to crush Netscape, and why they hand out IE like candy? > It's marketing tactics like that which cause me to react by refusing to > have anything whatsoever to do with their product. > Ah, yes, but you responded to my e-mail post to the mailing list, did you not? I guess you didn't look at the X-Mailer: header? Like it or not - you had something to do with their product. ;-) My advice is to modify your philosophy to the following: "It's marketing tactics like that which cause me to react by refusing to pay them anything whatsoever for any of their products" Much more pragmatic, workable, and effective. Ted
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