Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:16:23 -0500 From: Alfred Perlstein <bright@sneakerz.org> To: Dave McKay <dave@mu.org> Cc: Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com>, jeroen@unfix.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Query: How to tell if Microsoft is using BSD TCP/IP code? Message-ID: <20010620161623.I4543@sneakerz.org> In-Reply-To: <20010620152608.A79846@elvis.mu.org>; from dave@mu.org on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 03:26:08PM -0500 References: <20010615135713Y.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <001501c0f71e$f00f7bc0$420d640a@HELL> <20010617112712J.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <20010620152608.A79846@elvis.mu.org>
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* Dave McKay <dave@mu.org> [010620 15:26] wrote: > Jordan Hubbard (jkh@osd.bsdi.com) wrote: > > From: "Jeroen Massar" <jeroen@unfix.org> > > Subject: RE: Query: How to tell if Microsoft is using BSD TCP/IP code? > > Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:16:20 +0200 > > > > > It all sounds really odd to me but alas a cat does stupid things when it > > > gets cornered... > > > I sincerely hope that you BSD guys&gals stay far far away from the > > > "microsoft is evil, we can't win it easily so let's bash it to > > > hell"-attitude. > > > > 1. We're not cornered. > > > > 2. We're not bashing Microsoft here. We're just trying to figure > > out if their recently published comments that "Open Source is bad > > and inimical to our interests" is really just marketspeak which > > contradicts their own engineering position. > > I believe that Microsoft is against the GPL. Prolly won't find > too much Linux code in Windows. The TCP/IP stacks (i've heard) > are pretty close. Windows has added a few things, but essentially > they are the same. The BSD licence and the GPL, as we all know, > are very different. BSD good GPL bad. Microsoft can't include any GPL code in thier OS, as it would force them to open source it. I think when Microsoft says: "We don't use open source because it's dangerous" they mean GPL'd open source, because all _true_ open source is contaminated by the GPL (*) making it useless for engaging in any sort of competition. This is because the minute you make your first sale you have to give up the code. Wouldn't it be somewhat eerie to have all your competitors signed up as your first customers? Espcially if they knew they were going to get a source CDrom with thier purchase? :) Of course we (BSD) get lumped in with "open source", well because we are open source. And it's always fun to poke MS people with a pointy stick and taunt them about thier utilization of BSD code. Of course using BSD code doesn't force you to do anything except be honest about using it, something that MS's press dude seems to have missed. (*) yes, i'm entitiled to be sarcastic. :) -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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