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Date:      Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:18:50 -0800
From:      Luigi Rizzo <rizzo@icir.org>
To:        John Polstra <jdp@polstra.com>
Cc:        net@FreeBSD.ORG, sam@errno.com
Subject:   Re: CFR: MFC of mtags
Message-ID:  <20021122091850.A81622@xorpc.icir.org>
In-Reply-To: <200211221645.gAMGjKPH082267@vashon.polstra.com>; from jdp@polstra.com on Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:45:20AM -0800
References:  <196301c291e9$56d25e70$52557f42@errno.com> <200211221645.gAMGjKPH082267@vashon.polstra.com>

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i am pretty sure that this change does not affect low level drivers;
the "any software that uses them" comment almost surely refers to the
m_aux field, not to the entire struct mbuf.

This said, fair behaviour cannot be requested to one side only.

Sam posted patches, so those who have the hw/sw for which they
suspect incompatibilities have all the resources to try the new
code and find out whether their suspicions are founded or not.
I am surely willing to listen to objections based on convincing
evidence of breakage, whereas pure speculation is a much weaker
argument.

	cheers
	luigi

On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:45:20AM -0800, John Polstra wrote:
> In article <196301c291e9$56d25e70$52557f42@errno.com>, Sam Leffler
> <sam@errno.com> wrote:
> > I want to commit the mbuf packet tag changes to stable.  These
> > changes replace the aux mbuf pointer in the mbuf with a list of
> > "packet tags".  This does not change the size of the mbuf structure
> > but does affect any software that uses them (presently only KAME
> > ipsec which has been patched to use packet tags instead).
> 
> I would strongly prefer that you not put this into the 4.x branch.
> The project has a policy against incompatible ABI changes within the
> -stable branch.  If you do this MFC then those of us who rely on
> third-party binary-only network drivers (such as the ET Inc. drivers,
> upon which I and many others rely for network connectivity) will be
> SOL.  Changing the ABI within the branch is unfair to the vendors who
> try to maintain drivers for FreeBSD, and it only discourages them from
> trying to support our operating system.  Let's just let the 4.x branch
> live out the rest of its life span in a compatible way.
> 
> John
> -- 
>   John Polstra
>   John D. Polstra & Co., Inc.                        Seattle, Washington USA
>   "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence."  -- Chögyam Trungpa
> 
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