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Date:      Sat, 12 Jul 2014 08:58:45 -0700
From:      Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>
To:        Ian Lepore <ian@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@FreeBSD.org>, src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, David Chisnall <theraven@freebsd.org>, Bruce Simpson <bms@fastmail.net>, Bruce Evans <brde@optusnet.com.au>, svn-src-head@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r268566 - head/usr.bin/users
Message-ID:  <20140712155845.GA78259@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>
In-Reply-To: <1405179083.91430.14.camel@revolution.hippie.lan>
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On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 09:31:23AM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote:
> On Sat, 2014-07-12 at 13:27 +0000, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 01:37:49PM +0100, Bruce Simpson wrote:
> > > On 12/07/2014 12:34, Bruce Evans wrote:
> > > >This joke is bad.  The C++ version is worse in every way.
> > > 
> > > I concur with everything you have said in your message. Moral of story: it
> > > is very, very easy to introduce bloat using C++, and using a higher level
> > > language does not automatically lead to better code quality.
> > 
> > +1.  Now the question is, how do we come out of this mess?  Shall we redo
> > it in C again?  Polish C++ version?  Merge it with w(1) as suggested?
> > 
> > ./danfe
> > 
> 
> It is in no way established that any kind of "mess" exists.  All we have
> is some people who appear to hate C++ expressing their opinions about
> how they hate C++.  All the whining about how many more bytes the
> compiled code is or many milliseconds something takes to compile don't
> add up to any actual problem.
> 
> My opinion is that the original commit message was exactly correct:  The
> code was rewritten to be cleaner and easier to understand and maintain.
> We need more of the same.
> 

Go back and re-read Bruce's email.  The massive compile-time
pessimization caused by clang needs to be addressed before 
more C++ code is introduced into src/

-- 
Steve



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