Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 03:38:17 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Heckaman <matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET> To: Didier Derny <didier@omnix.net> Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Let 3.x die ASAP? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0003290331400.99462-100000@epsilon.lucida.qc.ca> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.1000329080220.7123A-100000@omnix.net>
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Regarding SMP: I have a dual PIII 550 on an ASUS P3C-D running 3.4-STABLE, the machine is under **very** high load and has not had a single problem, I think that the SMP problems reported might be misleading. Also, it is my understanding that Linux has very poor SMP support. I have to disagree about the stability going downhill, I started out with FreeBSD on 3.1-release, and since then I have seen nothing but major improvement along the version lines. 4.0 is wonderful for me, I have not had a problem with it excepting the new IDE driver not liking a very old hard drive of mine, but hey, the wd* drivers are still there. Likewise, 3.4 is doing fine as well, working away happily on a very high load machine without the slightest problem, happy as can be. I'm at a loss to understand where your claims of newer FreeBSD being unstable come from. Oh, RealPlayer 5 works for me on 3.4-stable and 4.0-stable, Oracle is reported to work on FreeBSD under Linux emulation but I have not tested that personally. Please, you owe it to yourself to do some good research before making a choice. Regards, Matt On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Didier Derny wrote: : Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 03:22:15 -0500 : From: Didier Derny <didier@omnix.net> : To: Martin Cracauer <cracauer@cons.org> : Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org : Subject: Re: Let 3.x die ASAP? : : : why dont you call freebsd freebsd2000 freebsd2001.... : : freebsd seems running version after version and not stability... : : I think that during 1994-1998 I made the right choice to choose FreeBSD : instead of linux. : : in 1999 (3.x) I was not so sure at all, no stability too many problems. : : In 2000 it's getting worse, for me FreeBSD is not stable at all : the future of FreeBSD is not so clear, version follow after version but : I still have no support for my sound board, realplayer, oracle... : The clients are telling me to install Linux instead of FreeBSD (for : oracle)... : I've just finished uprading the machines to 3.4-release and you are : telling me that there is no future for 3.X... : : I'm about to buy a smp machine but I see so many horror stories on : the mailling lists that I'm not sure at all that I should use a smp : machine (or install linux instead of FreeBSD)... : : one of our client is running a smp machine with 3.2-BETA without any : probleme... : : another client is running 3.4-RELEASE and his machine is rebooting on : heavy load... : : with all these problemes the end of 3.x will probably be the end : of FreeBSD for me! : : -- : Didier Derny : didier@omnix.net : : On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Martin Cracauer wrote: : : > A bit of a controvesical question, for sure. : > : > I am so impressed with the results of upgrading my more important : > machines to 4.0 or 4-stable that I could imagine not to produce any : > more 3.x releases. : > : > Let us consider what happens when we release 3.5 before or at the same : > time as 4.1: : > - People will publish reviews based on 3.5 instead of 4.1. As usual, : > an unadaequate number of them running on SMP machines. : > - People will run into inferious hardware support, especially they : > will have trouble with large IDE disks and/or IDE PCI controller. : > Similar issues for Laptop users. : > - People will continue to run with inferiour NFS, Linux emulator etc. : > The same applies to networking fixes against attacks, especially : > DOS. : > - People will choose 3.5 over 4.1 and will later go through an : > 3.x->4.x upgrade for no good reason. : > - The remaining issues in 4.x (especially hardware) aren't addressed : > as fast. There will be some issues with "unclean" usage that the : > core userbase doesn't use that don't come up until the masses jump : > on them. : > : > For me, the real reason is that I now hate the latest 3.x after seeing : > the improvements. It is near to junk, IMHO. : > : > Several machine of mine had gone instable while moving from 3.[01] to : > 3.4-stable and I suspected hardware trouble. I didn't debug it because : > I didn't want to mess with 3.x anymore. Now after upgrading to 4.x the : > same machines are rock-stable again. It is my impression that the 3.x : > branch lost the required testing when the core committers moved to : > 4.0-current. Higher releases of 3.x are just not polished/tested : > enough anymore, beside the undoubted concrete bug fixes. : > : > Speaking of testing by committers, I also hate to have machines for : > three branches running to develop bugfixes that apply to more than : > -current. In fact my last 3.x machine (besides a 3.1 machine that : > doesn't have the IDE troubles I have with 3.4-stable) is now a : > production machine of my employer that I'd like to upgrade as well. I : > couldn't think of a good reason to delay that upgrade for 3 or 6 : > months if my boss asked me. When i upgrade, I had to commit userland : > bugfixes to 3.x with only testing them on a newer branch. Kernel : > bugfixes would be impossible unless I find someone to test them for : > me. : > : > I assume that I'm not alone here. That many bug-fixing committers will : > not move with 3 machines along the current branches and that 3.5 will : > not be a worthy successor to our previous *.5 releases. : > : > Opinions? : > : > Martin : > -- : > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% : > Martin Cracauer <cracauer@cons.org> http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ : > Tel.: (private) +4940 5221829 Fax.: (private) +4940 5228536 : > : > : > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message : > : : : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message : Matt Heckaman matt@arpa.mail.net http://www.lucida.qc.ca -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (FreeBSD) Comment: http://www.lucida.qc.ca/pgp iD8DBQE44cD7dMMtMcA1U5ARAk0pAKCY75GOXGPjaIOhBmM8/co2e8wQfACfde4A d4lr1w7iWxENVSviFtP4Rhk= =NuUt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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