Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:51:07 -0700 From: "Andrew Falanga" <af300wsm@gmail.com> To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> Cc: des@des.no, Rob <bitabyss@gmail.com>, FreeBSD Chat <freebsd-chat@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Suggestions please for what POP or IMAP servers to use Message-ID: <340a29540712181051y655dc4fet230f821edeb53057@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <BMEDLGAENEKCJFGODFOCOEDLCFAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com> References: <MDEHLPKNGKAHNMBLJOLKCELOIOAC.davids@webmaster.com> <BMEDLGAENEKCJFGODFOCOEDLCFAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>
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On Dec 18, 2007 10:06 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Schwartz [mailto:davids@webmaster.com] > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 12:59 PM > > To: des@des.no > > Cc: Tedm@Toybox. Placo. Com; Rob; FreeBSD Chat; Andrew Falanga > > Subject: RE: Suggestions please for what POP or IMAP servers to use > > > > > > So you're saying that long before Microsoft saw any importance to > > the Internet, they felt that it was important to give away IE so > > they could extort money from companies like Verisign to get their > > keys included? If you don't see the Internet and ecommerce as > > important, why would you think anyone would pay millions of > > dollars to get their key in? > > > > In any event, your argument is contradicted by the historical > > record, from US v. Microsoft: > > > > Don't be foolish. Microsoft would have lost the case if they > had admitted the real reasons for what they did. It isn't to > MS's benefit to reveal anything about the real reasons they > do a thing. > > MS had a large campaign going to misdirect to world. Initially > it was to their advantage to get the world to believe that they > didn't understand the Internet. In that way, the young Internet > startup companies would spend their money fighting each other > rather than uniting against Microsoft. > > It's obvious MS knew from the beginning the importance of the > Internet. How quickly you forget TCP/IP and Window for Workgroups. > How quickly you forget the addition of the TCP/IP protocol to the > DOS/Lanmanager MS client. Even then, MS was working to deny > funding to the likes of Trumpet Winsock and suchlike by giving > away the Shiva TCP/IP client in the IE for Windows 3.1 > > Later on it became obvious to even a monkey that the Internet > was important, so it wouldn't have been believable to maintain > that campaign. So they changed gears and started using Internet > as a red herring. > > MS did NOT want the attention focused on how they managed to > engineer the Offie Applications market to become a monopoly. Nor > did they want attention focused on how they managed to arm-twist all > PC manufacturers into selling PC's with Windows preloaded. As > a result, the court didn't really address those issues. > > Even today look at what goes on in the PC market. It is almost > impossible to buy a low-end PC WITHOUT windows on it. Your paying > for that copy of Windows even if you immediately take the machine > home and wipe it. > > The anti-trust court should have banned the practice of forcing > the consumer to pay for Windows, they should have mandated that > ALL pc sales listed Windows as an optional line item the customer > could choose to not pay for. It would have been simple to do. > You walk into the computer store, and when you buy the PC if you > say you want Windows an extra $50 or whatever is slapped onto the > purchase price, and you get a serial number you key into the PC > when you start it up. If you say no, you don't get the serial number > and when you start the PC if you don't install the number, the > system deletes Windows. > > Microsoft was very worried that the trial would focus on this and > they would end up with this as a ruling. So, they engineered > the focus on their destruction of Netscape. Everyone followed > along and forgot about the preload situation. > > Ted > > You know, I'd never guessed that this much could come from such a simple question. Andy -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
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