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Date:      Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:07:06 -0500
From:      Bosko Milekic <bmilekic@unixdaemons.com>
To:        Jeff Roberson <jroberson@chesapeake.net>
Cc:        arch@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: New scheduler
Message-ID:  <20030123190706.A79935@unixdaemons.com>
In-Reply-To: <20030123181343.E2966-100000@mail.chesapeake.net>; from jroberson@chesapeake.net on Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 06:19:39PM -0500
References:  <20030123170611.A79549@unixdaemons.com> <20030123181343.E2966-100000@mail.chesapeake.net>

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On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 06:19:39PM -0500, Jeff Roberson wrote:
[...]
> >   OK, after looking over the code, I'm curious: why does everything
> >   still seem to be protected by the sched_lock?  Can you not now protect
> >   the per-CPU runqueues with their own spinlocks?  I'm assuming that the
> >   primary reason for not switching to the finer grained model is
> >   complications related to the sched_lock protecting necessarily
> >   unpremptable sections of code elsewhere in the kernel... notably
> >   switching to a more finer grained model would involve changes in the
> >   context switching code and I think we would have to teach some MD code
> >   about the per-CPU runqueues, which would make this less "pluggable" than
> >   it was intended, correct?
> 
> stand -> walk -> run :-)  I didn't want to make it any more invasive than
> it currently is as that would require either desupporting the current
> scheduler, or using it only on UP.  Also, it's a lot of extra effort and a
> lot of extra bugs.  I doubt there is much sched lock contention today.

  Oh, that makes sense.  I just wanted to make sure that the possibility
  existed to move this way at some point in the time to come, assuming
  that the additional complexity (if any) is not too costly when
  compared to the [measured] performance gains (again, if they are
  measurable, and I am sure they will be - the same cache locality
  arguments you apply below undoubtedly also apply to splitting a global
  lock into per-CPU locks).

> >   I think that one of the main advantages of this thing is the reduction
> >   of the contention on the sched lock.  If that can be achieved than
> >   scheduling any thread, including interrupt threads, would already be
> >   cheaper than it currently is (assuming you could go through a context
> >   switch without the global sched_lock, and I don't see why with this
> >   code you could not).
> 
> I'd like to reeorg the mi_switch/cpu_switch path.  I'd like do pick the
> new thread in mi_switch and hand it off to cpu_switch instead of calling
> back into sched_choose().  This will make all of this slightly cleaner.

  Good idea.  This would make other things easier to implement, too
  (including lightweight interrupt threads, should we decide to persue
  that at some point again).

> >   Finally, I have one question regarding your results.  Obviously, 35%
> >   and 10% are noteworthy numbers.  What do you attribute the speedup to,
> >   primarily, given that this is still all under a global sched_lock?
> >
> >   Thanks again for all your work.
> >
> 
> There are a few factors.  Most notably the cpu affinity.  The caches are
> trashing so much on SMP with the old scheduler that it's actually slower
> than UP in some cases.  Also, since the balancing is currently pooched the
> memory bus is contended for less.  So the 35% will probably get a bit
> smaller, but hopefully the real time will too.
> 
> The new scheduler is also algorithmically cheaper.  10 times a second
> schedcpu() would run on the old scheduler and pollute your cache.  With
> lots of processes this code could take a while too.

  Both of these are what I was looking for, thanks.  I totally believe
  the cache locality argument, especially given that the slight
  performance improvements I've seen when doing mb_alloc were also
  attributed to that.

> Cheers,
> Jeff

Regards,
-- 
Bosko Milekic * bmilekic@unixdaemons.com * bmilekic@FreeBSD.org


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