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Date:      Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:54:35 +0100
From:      David Chisnall <theraven@theravensnest.org>
To:        Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org>
Cc:        FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Arnaud Lacombe <lacombar@gmail.com>, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
Subject:   Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]
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On 2 Aug 2012, at 05:30, Doug Barton wrote:

> I used to ask the PTB to provide *some* form of remote participation =
for
> even a fraction of the events at the dev summit. I don't bother asking
> anymore because year after year my requests were met with any of:
> indifference, hostility, shrugged shoulders (that's a hard problem =
that
> we can't solve), or embarrassment. Since if the right people around =
here
> want something to happen, it happens; I finally came to the conclusion
> that they didn't want remote participation to happen, so it won't.
> That's a shame.

You haven't asked for this for the Cambridge DevSummit, but others have =
and so we have arranged for cameras and microphones to be available for =
two of the sessions (the DocSummit and the ARM working group) to allow =
those who can not attend in person for various reasons to participate. =20=


I don't know how useful it will be (hopefully everything will work, but =
my experience with video conferencing is that it stops working as soon =
as you try to do something important with it), but there is certainly no =
active attempt to exclude people who can't attend. =20

After each DevSummit, the results seem to appear on the wiki quite =
promptly - often during the sessions.  At BSDCan this year, two of the =
working groups that I attended used OpenEtherPad to take minutes, so =
they were available in real time for non-attendees and people outside of =
the room were able to add things to them.  There are usually people in =
the room on IRC as well, who are willing to relay things from people =
outside.

David=



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