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Date:      Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:04:19 +0930
From:      Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Jud <jud@myrealbox.com>
Cc:        Hostmaster@Video2Video.Com, mwvw@adelphia.net, FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.Org
Subject:   Re: What do we need in a FreeBSD desktop? (was: Peter heads back to M$FT WinBloze [support groups])
Message-ID:  <20020805073418.GB83171@wantadilla.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020729215629.435b4356.jud@myrealbox.com>
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On Monday, 29 July 2002 at 21:56:29 -0400, Jud wrote:
>
> One of the instant-workstation ports I have not tried is mutt,
> though I've read much praise for it and no negatives that I can
> recall.  I wonder, though, whether a gui mail application might be a
> good choice for this "target market," in addition to, instead of, or
> as another choice besides mutt.  Sylpheed happens to be the one I
> prefer, and it seems to be well liked by many other users.  Speaking
> as someone who didn't know a thing about Unix a couple of years ago
> (and hasn't improved on the situation all that much since:), it was
> very easy to learn.

Valid point.  I've added sylpheed.

> Another place where options might be appreciated is browsers -
> perhaps Galeon, Opera, Mozilla?  

See my article at http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200208/ports.html.  At
the moment I think it's a bit early to install more than one browser.
They all carry significant ballast with them.

> And Lynx I think is excellent for getting around on the Net at times
> when one doesn't want to or can't be in X.

I don't think the target audience would find themselves in that
situation.

> Perhaps that's taken care of by w3m (I don't remember ATM whether
> that's part of the default emacs install)?  That brings me to my
> last and likely most controversial thought.  Emacs does everything
> but bake blueberry muffins, but it might be more intimidating (or
> puzzling - took me awhile just to understand what "M-x"
> meant) than useful to someone fairly new to Unix.  It does take a
> while to build and install (and download, for those of us on
> dial-ups).  And the configuration options! - not exactly
> 'instant.'  If it's part of the install, it seems to me users will
> try it, and may wind up thinking "Jeez, this stuff is hard" as a
> first impression of FreeBSD.

As I mentioned earlier, I've done a number of experiments.  Emacs has
the great advantage in this context that all simple commands are
available via a menu interface.  People *can* use it with no prior
knowledge.

Greg
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