Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:57:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Didier Derny <didier@omnix.net> To: "Forrest W. Christian" <forrestc@iMach.com> Cc: Martin Cracauer <cracauer@cons.org>, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Let 3.x die ASAP? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.1000329095628.9124A-100000@omnix.net> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0003290146040.18478-100000@workhorse.iMach.com>
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now with 3.x I have uptimes between 2/6 weeks! with 2.x I had uptimbes between 2/6 months! On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Forrest W. Christian wrote: > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Didier Derny wrote: > > > freebsd seems running version after version and not stability... > > > in 1999 (3.x) I was not so sure at all, no stability too many problems. > > hmmm.... > > # uptime > 1:44AM up 46 days, 22:36, 1 user, load averages: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 > > This is on a 3.4-STABLE box. Prior to the last reboot (which I made > because I somehow had missed compiling the kernel with an appropriate # of > users), it had been up since 12/21/1999 when I cvsup'd it last. > > Don't let the low load averages fool you - this box is handling around > 3000 popmail/imap3 accounts - and 100,000 messages go through it every > day (mostly client relay). > > I don't remember the last time a freebsd box crashed around here unless I > had hardware going bad. > > > In 2000 it's getting worse, for me FreeBSD is not stable at all > > the future of FreeBSD is not so clear, version follow after version but > > I still have no support for my sound board, realplayer, oracle... > > The clients are telling me to install Linux instead of FreeBSD (for > > oracle)... > > Linux Oracle 8.0.5 purportedly runs great on FreeBSD 3.x. See: > http://www.lf.net/lf/pi/oracle/install-linux-oracle-on-freebsd > > I can't vouch for sound card support. I gave up using sound cards in > any unix a while back INCLUDING Linux and FreeBSD... although I might try > a unix box on my desktop for mbone stuff again now that it seems to be > more stable from what I hear. I will grant that Linux tends to support > more obscure hardware than FreeBSD, although I have found that driver > quality under Linux tends to be spotty. > > The key to this whole thing is that in a lot of (if not most) cases, > FreeBSD (in my opinion) runs Linux binaries better than Linux. Turn on > linux binary compatibility and then use linux stuff to your hearts > content. > > I have had friends which I have been talking to about how freebsd is > better than linux go to web conferences and hearing everyone else say "run > everything on freebsd and use linux emulation where necessary". This > seems to be the trend at big web sites. > > > I've just finished uprading the machines to 3.4-release and you are > > telling me that there is no future for 3.X... > > The way I read the whole topic is more like "4.x works great, and is > stable, and people need to move there, so why drag out the lifetime of > 3.x". I don't recommend .0 releases at all for production work, but if > it turns out that 4.1 is at least as stable as 3.4 or 3.5 I don't see why > we'd need a 3.6 or 3.7 or so on. > > > I'm about to buy a smp machine but I see so many horror stories on > > the mailling lists that I'm not sure at all that I should use a smp > > machine (or install linux instead of FreeBSD)... > > Let me tell you my experience with SMP - stability depends on the > hardware. I have used SMP on both FreeBSD and on NetWare and on NT, > (actually more NT than the others) and I can say that some hardware just > won't work reliably with SMP. I've seen Dell Multi-CPU boxes get the > motherboard replaced THREE times before it stabilizes. I've also seen > machines which just couldn't run it at all. I've seen hardware where > NetWare blows up on but runs NT in multiprocessor mode fine. And vice > versa. > > I'm curious as to what hardware you're having all these problems > with. Are you overclocking? Is the airflow adequate? What type of > drives/controllers are you using? etc.... I really wonder if you've got > some weird hardware problem which is plaguing (sp?) you. > > - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) KD7EHZ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com > Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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