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Date:      Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:44:38 -0700
From:      Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com>
To:        Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org>
Cc:        Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Arnaud Lacombe <lacombar@gmail.com>, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
Subject:   Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]
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On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Scott Long wrote:

>=20
> On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Kevin Oberman <kob6558@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
>> Doug makes some good points.
>=20
> No, he doesn't.  He and Arnould being argumentative and accusatory =
where none of that is warranted.
>=20
> I used to run the devsummits, and we did tele-conference lines for =
remote people to participate.  After I stepped down, others took it up =
and did the same thing.  Usually, the lines were unused.  I suspect that =
organizers simply stopped thinking about them after a while because of =
poor interest.  There is no conspiracy of exclusion here, just simple =
human apathy.

	The "Watson/Losh connection" worked really well in BSDCan 2010 =
:).
	Advertising the teleconferencing lines might be an issue (I =
would have loved to have joined in some of the remote conferences, if =
for nothing more than be a fly on the wall, this year), but that's a =
separate thing aside.
	There's some misunderstanding, assumption, etc mixed together in =
this mailing chain that I think is probably better resolved with some =
face-to-face conversations or maybe just more rational (and less heated) =
discussion.
Thanks!
-Garrett=



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