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Date:      Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:12:25 -0500
From:      =?UTF-8?Q?Josh_=C5=8Cckert?= <torstenvl@gmail.com>
To:        Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
Cc:        chat@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: GPL vs BSD Licence
Message-ID:  <126eac4804110106127610fe07@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNCEJGEPAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>
References:  <20041031105926.4f06b06f.flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org> <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNCEJGEPAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>

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Actually, Ted, to us newbies, it is uninteresting. Most of us come
from Linux and know the GPL fairly well by now. Since YANAL (You Are
Not All Lawyers), I think these discussions are kind of a waste of
time


On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:13:28 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt
<tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Miguel Mendez [mailto:flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 1:59 AM
> > To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> > Cc: davids@webmaster.com; chat@freebsd.org; TM4525@aol.com
> > Subject: Re: GPL vs BSD Licence
> >
> >
> > I don't know if you're aware of this, but this kind is *useless*
> > discussion has been going on on the mailing lists for *years*. Check
> > groups.google.com and you'll see that everything you might want to add
> > about GPL vs BSD has already been said a hundred times. John Dyson
> > posted a lot about it, then Brett Glass did for a while, and now you.
> >
> 
> Have you ever stopped a minute to think about why this is?
> 
> FreeBSD is not a dead operating system.  Every day there are dozens if
> not hundreds of NEW UERS who have NEVER encountered these 'useless
> discussions'.  To them, these discussions are not uninteresting, and
> provide much needed background.  Furthermore the topics keep coming
> up because these licenses are being applied all of the time to new
> software packages all of the time.  There are always new situations
> that these licenses are being used in.
> 
> > If the time wasted on these rants had gone into writing software we'd
> > have a 100% BSDL system today. My very humble suggestion is that you
> > please take this somewhere else. I've never seen a GPL advocate 'see the
> > light' and start licensing his software under the BSD license after
> > having a conversation with a BSD 'zealot', or vice versa.
> >
> 
> You probably missed the issue if you think this is a discussion meant
> to convince someone BSD is better than GPL.  The people on this list
> already KNOW that BSD is better than GPL.  They don't need convincing.
> What they DO need to know, however, is WHY.  That is educational discussion
> not useless argument.
> 
> My humble suggestion to you is that you shake off the idea you seem
> to have that the ultimate goal is a 'finished' 100% BSDL system.  If
> that ever happened, BSD would be dead.
> 
> Minix is a 'finished' system.  Xenix is a 'finished' system.  Covalent
> is a 'finished' system.  FreeBSD is not, and hopefully never will be.
> 
> Ted
> 
> 
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