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Date:      Sat, 31 Oct 1998 13:37:18 -0600 (CST)
From:      Steve Price <sprice@hiwaay.net>
To:        "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>
Cc:        Satoshi Asami <asami@FreeBSD.ORG>, mike@smith.net.au, mark@grondar.za, sos@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Who built XFree86 with Kerberos? 
Message-ID:  <Pine.OSF.4.02.9810311311490.917-100000@fly.HiWAAY.net>
In-Reply-To: <15699.909845800@time.cdrom.com>

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On Sat, 31 Oct 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

# > very hard to detect on the building machine.  The scheduling, which
# > didn't leave him any time to put the ELF packages up for testing
# > before the release, is at fault.
# 
# You can say that again.  Despite having plenty of warning, and we're
# talking several month's worth here, the task was apparently dumped at
# the very last moment on Justin and Steve.  I know that Steve certainly
# wasn't very happy about how this was done and it certainly took Mike
# and I by surprise as well - there was some even doubt, for awhile
# there, as to whether 3.0 would ship with a packages collection at all.

Yes, I was indeed frazzled.  Justin did a great job!  I just
wished he had let me help a wee bit more.  I'm sure he got
quite annoyed after awhile with all my "here's a patch"
messages.  It was just too much for one person to do in the
limited time available.

# In any case, all finger-pointing and indignation aside, if the
# ports/packages phase of each new release is to occur both on-time and
# with minimum stress on all concerned, we're going to have to figure
# out well in advance just who's going to take on the job of physically
# generating and segregating all the packages and distfiles.  I
# certainly don't want to be scratching my head and trying to figure out
# who's "job" it's even supposed to be a day before a release is due and
# the various ports volunteers don't want to be stuck with doing the job
# on a moment's notice, either.

I know my half-witted attempt at creating a tool to help
with this flopped miserably, but my offer still stands.  I'd
like to talk to you some more about what you require in such
a tool.

# My suggestion would be that we either: a) go to some sort of
# automation scheme which [re]builds packages on an ongoing basis and,
# at release time, I just take a snapshot of the collection or b) We try

I've got a reasonably fast, well-connected machine that I could
offer up to help with this.  All I need is a little direction
from Justin on how he setup his chroot'd build environment.

# appointing a ports/packages releasemeister who's responsible for doing
# in ports what I do for src each time a release rolls around.  This

Having more than one would be even better. :)  I'll volunteer
to be one of 'em for the next release.

# person could be paid since it's important to Walnut Creek CDROM
# that packages and distfiles be rendered into ISO images periodically,
# especially now that we have this "toolkit" CD for FreeBSD in addition
# to the usual 4 CD sets.
# 
# Thoughts?
# 
# - Jordan
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