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Date:      Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:06:10 -0700
From:      xavian anderson macpherson <professional3d@home.com>
To:        "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   [Fwd: [Fwd: APOLOGIES GIVEN TO ALL]]
Message-ID:  <39D96942.90E42D35@home.com>

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this is the kind of person i adore.  they have probably never even dealt with the issue
that i wrote about.  the answer is not in the book, and neither is the web address that
i was later given.  but somehow i am supposed to be clairvoiant.
and this is supposed to inspire appreciation.  so much for the shortcomings of my
intellectual ability.  ;-)  if i could only be as bright as a goblin.  oh to be a man!
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Goblin wrote:

> You are quite stupid if you think ANYONE is going to hold your greasy
> little poodle paw through your ineptitude in your problem while you're
> as rude as you are...
>
> It seems you waste more time in this thread complaining about it than
> goggle-searching for answers and finding out for yourself.
>
> You're so obviously a newbie (and a punk) that no one can even take
> you seriously.
>
> On 10/02, xavian anderson macpherson rearranged the electrons to read:
> > wyrdwulf@catskill.net wrote:
> >
> > > Xavian:
> > >
> > > Freebsd is an operating system.  You may be required to install it.  It's
> > > rather different from linux (I use Debian myself) and requires a learning curve.  I
> > > don't think the vinum program for fbsd easily adapts to a linux system.  If you
> > > are proposing to "adapt" freebsd's "vinum" to SuSe I'm not sure it can be done.
> > > Netscape is notorious for bugs, so I'd suspect netscape before linux.  I'd also
> > > check the SuSe Linux list to see if your problems are unique.
> > > YAST is wonderful but I like Debian.
> >
> > it may be netscape, but i have been having problems that have nothing to do with
> > netscape.
> >
> > you didn't read my email very well.  i don't want vinum for linux.  nor was i
> > `proposing to adapt it to suse'.  frankly, to all concerned; i would rather not use
> > any linux program.  but the reality is that there are some holes in freebsd.  if there
> > weren't any (holes), no one would ever port programs from linux (or anything else for
> > that matteres) to freebsd.  the reality is that freebsd does not and may never have
> > the commercial support prevalent in linux.  the very nature of freebsd tends to ensure
> > this.  linux is rapidly becoming the microsft of the unix-wannabe community.  the
> > propensity of proprietary distributions for profit is what's driving this.  even linux
> > suffers compared to windows, even more so than apple.  the only chance that freebsd
> > will ever have is to make redhat linux rpms directly portable to freebsd without any
> > intervention by the end user.
> >
> > as i pointed out to someone else, the redhat rpm manager is capable of converting
> > tarballs into rpm packages.  what we need is a devoted rpm manager for freebsd, that
> > will handle ALL of the conversion requirements from linux to freebsd.  you are already
> > a step ahead of linux.  i'd just like to see us take even larger steps forward.  and i
> > can just see the rage that some of you will have at the suggestion that freebsd should
> > adopt linux as one of it's own.  frankly i don't care too much for segregation, not in
> > any form.  and all segregation begins in the mind.  it is a refusal to think beyond
> > your own exclusive box.  to me, the foundation of freedom (free as in bsd) has to be
> > inclusivity.  it is the humility to look beyond oneself to consider the expansiveness
> > of ones greater community.  yes i have the capacity to rant, just like anyone else.  i
> > try however to make sure that whatever i am ranting about, conforms to reality.  if it
> > doesn't, i definately welcome the fact being brought to my attention.  i don't mind
> > being told that i am wrong, in fact i look forward to it.  i would be a fool to think
> > anyother way.  i cherish truthfulness too much, to place my own ego above it.  i often
> > find myself expressing views that are nothing less than bigoted.  when i do, i
> > immediately question my right to have such a view.  and the very fact that i recognize
> > that is wrong, obligates me to forsaking it.  when i find myself apartied to values or
> > concepts that abrogate the truth, not as i see it but as defined by a rigorous
> > examination of the facts, no matter how inconvient to myself, I CHANGE!  this is not
> > hog wash.  it is what i live by.  and i examine myself and everything (especially what
> > i buy) around me by that level of scrutiny.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > BTW, all caps means you are shouting.  Ver-r-ry unpleasant.
> > >
> > > Eric Wolven
> > >
> > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:14:14 xavian anderson macpherson wrote:
> > > > I AM SORRY FOR MY REMARKS.  I DIDN'T NEED TO SAY WHAT I SAID THE WAY I
> > > > SAID IT,  but i can send anyone copies of an email i got from someone
> > > > who was quite sarcastic when there was no need to be!  he has since
> > > > changed his tone.  so i am doing the same.  AGAIN, I AM SORRY!  i am
> > > > just a little bit concerned because i am getting conflicting answers in
> > > > the emails i have recieved privately.  some of you have been very
> > > > helpful and i am VERY THANKFUL AND IMPRESSED with the general tone of
> > > > thie remarks i have seen.
> > > >
> >
> > does this mean that i was shouting when i said i was`VERY THANKFUL AND IMPRESSED'?  or
> > maybe i was shouting when i said `AGAIN, I AM SORRY', `I AM SORRY FOR MY REMARKS.  I
> > DIDN'T NEED TO SAY WHAT I SAID THE WAY I SAID IT'?  there is a difference between
> > shouting and simply making a statement of stressed emphasis.  SO LET ME SHOUT THIS
> > VERY CLEARLY.  IT IS THE INABILITY OR REFUSAL TO LOOK BEYOND THE WORDS AND SEE THE
> > LANGUAGE.  IT IS THE MEANING OF THE WORD THAT DEFINES THE LANGUAGE.  don't be so short
> > sighted.  people all too often only see what they want to, and ignore the message that
> > is presented to them.  it it easier that way to absolve oneself of any complicity they
> > may (most always) share in the situation that exists.  but god help us, if we have to
> > declare responsibility.
> >
>  Your eyes are weary from staring at the CRT.  You feel sleepy.  Notice how
>  restful it is to watch the cursor blink.  Close your eyes.  The opinions
>  stated above are yours.  You cannot imagine why you ever felt otherwise.



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