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Date:      Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:03:59 -0800
From:      Chris H <chris#@1command.com>
To:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Cc:        "Bruce M. Simpson" <bms@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Replace Cisco IOS/CBOS with freebsd - possible?
Message-ID:  <20090130070359.riaj3vq4aock4k0s@webmail.1command.com>
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Hello Bruce, and thank you for your reply.

Quoting "Bruce M. Simpson" <bms@freebsd.org>:

> Chris H wrote:
>> ...
>>>
>>> I know Peter Grehan was looking at getting FreeBSD onto the Cisco 
>>> 827 a while back.
>>
>> That's good news. I'll have to see if I can get more info on that.
>> I just purchased a "lot" of cisco *DSL/routers on ebay, in an effort
>> to push this project forward (I can experiment on these with less concern).
>
> IMHO pfSense beats the pants off OpenWRT from a user/deployment point 
> of view, and often that is ultimately what counts.

I guess I'd have to agree, except if it weren't for the fact I always
have a zillion things going simultaneously, I wouldn't even know what
X was - I can't get enough VC's (virtual consoles), so I'm forced to
use X. But, of course for most "end users" /convenience/ is everything,
and most don't want to any more that how to turn it on. :)

>
>    Thing is, it's "only" for x86-based PCs. I had the foresight to 
> purchase some relatively quiet 1U boxes, but they're still too noisy 
> to have in a room where people sleep live or socialise -- they belong 
> to the computer nook at the front of the apartment (I have a very odd 
> C-shaped apartment).

Yes, the (older) cisco's CPU's were MIPS - aka - Motorola, and ran AUX.
I've got the latest version of AUX, which is a newer version than they
ran. In fact, it wouldn't be a bit surprised if I could load AIX on it.

>
>    I believe something that could really make pfSense fly, would be a 
> viable port to mass-market, low-power consumer hardware. Then again, 
> old Ciscos "sort of" fit the bill.

Funny you bring that up. I was thinking the very same. As a matter of
fact I have been contemplating whipping something up myself, and doing
just that. While psSense initially seems appealing. The more I look into
it, the more I find it's laking - where a simple roll-out is concerned.
There isn't anything in the way of documentation. What's there is /horribly/
unorganized. It's scattered all over the place. What's more, the front
page of the wiki suggests that reading the m0n0wall documentation would
probabl;y be a better choice. Make no mistake, I know how daunting and
hectic an opensource project can be, and am grateful to /anyone/ whom is
willing to share the fruits of their labor at no cost. But I think I
could do better, that's all.

>
>    Repurposing old vendor hardware is just as subject to engineering 
> process as anything else, in some cases, the varying 
> Bill-of-Materials may make the economic cost too high to do things on 
> a mass scale.

I think I have a solution for that. I'll elaborate further when I can
confirm that.

>
>    If people would be reasonably expected to use such a system, they 
> should not have to understand the mechanisms, in great detail, of how 
> firmware is loaded onto a device. This is one of the main stumbling 
> blocks behind mass uptake -- we can't just say "fire up this tool and 
> click this 1 button" to extend/build new network infrastructure.
>
>    Given the current economic and ecological situation, though, 
> devising systems which allow people to do this might be something 
> worth investigating, and funding to that effect may be available "out 
> there".

I /quite/ agree, and intend to persue just that. I've already
commissioned the artwork - and it looks GREAT. :)

I'll elaborate further as things firm up.

Thanks again Bruce, for taking the time to respond.

--Chris

>
> cheers
> BMS
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