Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:29:59 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek <hoek@hwcn.org> To: Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com> Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>, Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More breakage in -current as a result of header frobbing. Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980222125808.16665B-100000@james.hwcn.org> In-Reply-To: <199802221752.KAA24429@mt.sri.com>
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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Nate Williams wrote: > To a point, I agree. But, if that is indeed the case, then why isn't > Terry a committer? He may damage the tree, but we're definitely > alienating him. Terry has publicly stated that he is impermeable to such unproductive emotions unreleated to actual research. As much as I am inclined to disbelieve all such silly statements, there is evidently some truth there. :) Besides, llama jokes aside, the esteemed Mr. Lambert knows what degree of respect many important (and not) people hold for him. He has been involved with FreeBSD since the Dark Ages before cvs. > We can't have it both ways. Either we have an *enforced* policy of > actually punishing offenders (which may offend them and cause them to They are volunteers. It's certainly not difficult to imagine the reaction "Okay, you don't want me to sacrifice many hours of my leisure and life; no problem; I won't". That's not a punishment! Quick! Point me to the most sensitive part of the source tree! Give me my life back! > avoided. However, many committers (myself included) know that in > reality there is no punishment for breaking the tree, so why bother > testing things more heavily when someone is going to end up doing that > work for me? For most, I imagine listening to Terry go off on another CVS global llama locking tangent is punishment enough!! Even worse, do you realize that we are getting dangerously close to being treated to an exposition elucidating the merits of weighted democracy and social engineering! Aieee!! Given the Netscape announcement, it would probably involve references to cathedrals, bazaars, and Linus Torvalds this time! > > We have to consider who we are and how we got here - this isn't > > We got here by people who put out quality/tested software. This appears > to no longer be as important as it once was to many people, including > many people in core. Speaking of Terry, his theory was that this -current instability issue comes up once every six months. I'm now expecting someone more diligint than I in tracking these things to pop-up and say that we're right on track. Addendum... These are volunteers and questioning their good will is counter-productive. The only recent idea having any merit, in my humble opinion, was having current.freebsd.org send out a message when the tree breaks. -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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