Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:08:00 -0500 From: Chuck Robey <chuckr@chuckr.org> To: Daniel O'Connor <doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Cc: Kip Macy <kip.macy@gmail.com>, Martin Cracauer <cracauer@cons.org>, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, "Sam Fourman Jr." <sfourman@gmail.com>, des@des.no, mh@kernel32.de Subject: Re: amd64 NVIDIA support in FreeBSD 7 Message-ID: <476828A0.2060901@chuckr.org> In-Reply-To: <200712182305.06426.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> References: <86ve6wmgq4.fsf@ds4.des.no> <4a37b1e529bab094e2c50b7deca7df87@127.0.0.1> <200712182305.06426.doconnor@gsoft.com.au>
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Redirected to -chat, because it got too flamish. Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, Marian Hettwer wrote: >> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:37:07 +0100, Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> > wrote: >>> "Sam Fourman Jr." <sfourman@gmail.com> writes: >>>> I wonder if having a petition signed by a bunch of people would >>>> help this along, because I believe that amd64 3D accel on nvidia, >>>> is life or death to PC-BSD in a year or so. >>> What, exactly, do you think a petition would achieve? Can a >>> petition write code? Can a petition pay somebody to write code? >>> Petitions may work in a democracy, but neither nVidia nor FreeBSD >>> is a democracy. >> While this is true (by the way, what is FreeBSD? This is so wrong headed, I couldn't avoid commenting. FreeBSD is in no way a democracy. At best it is an oligarchy (if I have my definitions right?), meaning that it;'s run by a smaller set of folks who actually do the coding, and those folks are run 80% by what interests them, and only a VERY much smaller amount by what users want. Even ports is like this, although I will admit that users there have more input, it's still much below 50%, because it's really up to what the porters want to do, NOT what users want. That fella doing all those polls, I have this suspicion that he expects his polls to have some effect. The only effect it's going to have, is giving that person and only that person, so guidance, no other coder is likely to be guided by it more than the amounts I ahve listed above. FreeBSD is not now, and never has been a democracy. And, usually, this is a good thing, because it prevents folks that have no clear idea what the real effects will be of getting what they ask for, any real control. If you don't like this, take up coding yourself, that's the only way you can change it. nVidia is a >> corporation, therefor not a democracy, but what is FreeBSD?), at >> least a petition could show how many users would like to have amd64 >> nvidia support for FreeBSD. These numbers could (!) be interesting >> for nvidia. That's what you usually call a "market need" in captilsm >> speak. Although I do have my doubts wether we could show nvidia that >> our need as that big that nvidia would think "hej, wow, what a huge >> market, let's get em" ;-) I believe a better way would be just asking >> nvidia "Hej, how much money do you need to deliver and probably >> maintain a amd64 version of your driver for FreeBSD". Instead of >> signing a petition, users could donate... > > FreeBSD is a code-ocracy. > > You supply the code you get the votes. > (ish) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHaCigz62J6PPcoOkRAshFAJ9pbWggU6xvgbo6IjturNPFeuKgVACgno9z ZkTfLiahqLpi4Gmoj0nA290= =1lIO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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