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Date:      Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:35:48 -0500
From:      "Brent" <brentb@loa.com>
To:        "Kenneth Wayne Culver" <culverk@wam.umd.edu>, "Brian T.Schellenberger" <bts@babbleon.org>
Cc:        "Justin L. Boss" <jlboss@yahoo.com>, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: NVIDIA  3D FreeBSD Drivers
Message-ID:  <005801c1c389$e0753c80$37b4a8c0@pretorian>
References:  <Pine.GSO.4.21.0203032337160.17428-100000@rac3.wam.umd.edu>

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When is this going to happen ...I have a gforce2mx and KDE and it works
great ...but i cant play any 3d  games like quake3 for example..
Does anyone have any idea when theres going to be some sort of 3d support
for nvidia cards ?? I know its been talked about ..
I much rather use my FBSD box than a win box..


Brent

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth Wayne Culver" <culverk@wam.umd.edu>
To: "Brian T.Schellenberger" <bts@babbleon.org>
Cc: "Justin L. Boss" <jlboss@yahoo.com>; "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org"
<freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: NVIDIA 3D FreeBSD Drivers


>
>
> On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Brian T.Schellenberger wrote:
>
> > On Sunday 03 March 2002 09:53 pm, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote:
> > > > I don't think I'm missing your point, I just disagree with it.
> > > >
> > > > Instead of fighting for FreeBSD I'd rather fight for open source
> > > > software, and the nvidia Linux "solution" is to include Linux in
their
> > > > closed-source world.  You want them to include FreeBSD in their
> > > > closed-source world as well.
> > > >
> > > > This seems more like betrayal to the cause than fighting for the
cause to
> > > > me, and I, for one, am not going to fight for that.
> > > >
> > > > A petition for them to release their information so that FreeBSD
*and*
> > > > other O/S's could take advantage of their hardware--*that*, I would
> > > > support.
> > > >
> > > > But not this.
> > >
> > > So let me get this straight... You would rather wait for something
that is
> > > never going to happen than see usable 3d drivers come out for
> > > FreeBSD. This is unrealistic. Nvidia is legally unable to release
source
> > > for their drivers, and I think we should be happy that they want to
> > > support FreeBSD at all. There is no legal or moral obligation for them
to
> > > release specs for their cards or open-source drivers. The fact that
they
> > > are releasing drivers at all is enough for me (and most other people
that
> > > actually want to USE the 3d support that they paid for.)
> >
> > True.
> >
> > And I'm under no legal or moral obligation to buy their products as long
as
> > they insist on sticking with proprietary solutions.
> >
> > I still find this "legal obligation" not to release them to be so much
> > gobbly-gook: They *chose* to use solutions that were so encumbered, and
I
> > *choose* to avoid them as a result.
> >
> > I'd be happy to encourage them to pursue other strategies.  I don't want
to
> > join some movement to beg the corporacracy to drop some scraps in our
bowl,
> > too.  I'm not going to prostitute myself that way.
> >
> > I do all my prostitution on company time instead :-)
> >
> > [I really don't think of myself as being nearly as much of an
open-source
> > radical as I seem to be coming across in this little debate, but I guess
I
> > wish that we could have enough pride in what FreeBSD has accomplished as
a
> > freeware project that we wouldn't let the attractiveness of a slightly
> > smoother curve on the blast from the frag granade have us all begging to
be
> > treated just like the "big boys" of the O/S's.]
> >
> > [[Really, I never I knew I felt this strongly about it before . . . ]]
>
> basically I got my video card for free. I don't want to pay for another
> card. I'd much rather get 3d drivers for the card I have.
>
> Ken
>
>
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