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Date:      Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:41:33 -0000
From:      "Owen Grover" <owen.grover@ts-associates.com>
To:        "Greg Black" <gjb@gbch.net>
Cc:        <freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: Freebsd REL_ENG 4.3 p28 freezes every 30 minutes. 
Message-ID:  <JCEPLCDEACNDGMJAFGBBKEFOCAAA.owen.grover@ts-associates.com>
In-Reply-To: <nospam-1016503408.34818@bambi.gbch.net>

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I'm glad someone else has mentioned this as I have had similar PCMCIA
problems with my Tosh Tecra 8100 laptop and I've had to revert back to 4.3.

Owen

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG
[mailto:owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Greg Black
Sent: 19 March 2002 02:03
To: Mike Silbersack
Cc: Josef Karthauser; W Alexander Hagen; freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: Freebsd REL_ENG 4.3 p28 freezes every 30 minutes.


Mike Silbersack wrote:

| On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Greg Black wrote:
|
| > Josef Karthauser wrote:
| >
| > | 4.3 is two whole major releases ago.  You should be running 4.5, which
| > | you can get by cvsuping using the tag RELENG_4_5_0_RELEASE, or the tag
| > | RELENG_4 if you wish to be at the head of developments on the -stable
| > | branch.
| >
| > This is not wise advice.  There are lots of circumstances where
| > 4.3 is perfectly fine and can be shown to work while 4.4 and 4.5
| > are broken.  I have had to revert to 4.3 on several machines
| > after attempting unsuccessfully to run 4.4 and 4.5 (and current,
| > for that matter).
|
| Which PRs describe the problems encountered?

I have not submitted a PR yet.  I have raised the problems on
the FreeBSD mailing lists several times since 4.4-RELEASE and
have had some correspondence with Warner Losh and Greg Lehey in
vain attempts to establish some basis for working towards a
solution.

In essence, I have laptops that work fine with PCMCIA cards
under 4.3 but which don't recognise them at all under later
releases (including 4.4, 4.5 and current as of a few weeks
ago).  The symptoms, as reported several times, are:

    * Failure to boot without the following magic in
      /boot/loader.conf:

	  hw.pcic.intr_path="1"
	  hw.pcic.irq="0"

    * Boot message that says:

	  pccard: card inserted, slot 0
	  pcic0: Static bug detected, ignoring hardware.

      These messages are printed whether or not there is a card
      in the slot.

    * As a result of the previous item, naturally the PCMCIA
      cards don't work when inserted.

The same machines, when running 4.3-RELEASE, drive my PCMCIA
cards just fine.

I have CURRENT on one of these boxes and could CVS update it for
further tests if somebody can suggest where to start looking.
If it would really help to submit a PR at this point, I suppose
I could do that.  It seems to me that it would be more useful to
learn a bit more first.

Greg

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