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Date:      Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:52:47 +0100
From:      Josef Karthauser <joe@pavilion.net>
To:        Matthew Jacob <mjacob@feral.com>
Cc:        Akinori -Aki- MUSHA <knu@idaemons.org>, andrews@technologist.com, mckusick@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/contrib/softupdates softdep.h ffs_softdep.c
Message-ID:  <20000628015247.H19558@pavilion.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.10006271733510.25569-100000@semuta.feral.com>; from mjacob@feral.com on Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 05:38:11PM -0700
References:  <20000628012956.B19558@pavilion.net> <Pine.BSF.4.05.10006271733510.25569-100000@semuta.feral.com>

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On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 05:38:11PM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote:
> 
> There were in fact, more issues at one point with readahead in UFS than in
> Softupdates code under SMP (I had it sysctl'd off for 3.3). As far as I know,
> this problem went at last 6 months ago- I think this was a Matt Dillon effort.

Was it fixed in RELENG_3?
 
> Your comments are a bit unfair. *You* haven't been running the currently
> released product with Softupdates. You have excellent reasons to be concerned
> because of your previous experience, but your statement of "A number of times
> this year I've lost whole filesystems on an SMP..." is misleading at best.

:)  Understood.  I've not trying to be scaremongering.  What I was
trying to do was elicit a response like your first paragraph, i.e.
"yes, there were some SMP related problems, should be fixed now
:)"  On one hand I'm being a bit meladramitic, on the other other
hand the ccd/SU event cost two people (one of them myself) 7 hours
of beauty sleep and my customers over 4 hours of downtime, and the
second, / appearing in lost+found, cost 3 hours - hence I'm reacting
a bit more emotionally about it than I should.

> Your reference to a friend should be made clearer.

I'll track him down and see what's what.  He was building a 4.0 machine
a few weeks ago (may have been 5 weeks...)

> I'm not trying to defend SOFTUPDATES/SMP or anything (which work fine for me,
> btw, on most of my filesystems) but I believe that your statements could be a
> bit more clearer to try and assist all of us to see whether there is a problem
> and how to fix it.

Anything I can do to help would be great.  As it turns out I've
got a spare SMP machine sitting on the bench, but it's only got a
couple of drives (different sizes) so I can't test ccd or vinum
with SU/SMP.  I guess that Matt Dillon's probably got a pretty
extensive set of system thrash scripts.

Joe


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