Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:19:08 -0600 From: "Sam Fourman Jr." <sfourman@gmail.com> To: "Chuck Robey" <chuckr@chuckr.org> Cc: Martin Cracauer <cracauer@cons.org>, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Kip Macy <kip.macy@gmail.com>, des@des.no, mh@kernel32.de Subject: Re: amd64 NVIDIA support in FreeBSD 7 Message-ID: <11167f520712181219j5fe8fbbek6bf6429a856d2ec2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <476828A0.2060901@chuckr.org> References: <86ve6wmgq4.fsf@ds4.des.no> <4a37b1e529bab094e2c50b7deca7df87@127.0.0.1> <200712182305.06426.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <476828A0.2060901@chuckr.org>
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On Dec 18, 2007 2:08 PM, Chuck Robey <chuckr@chuckr.org> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Redirected to -chat, because it got too flamish. > > Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, Marian Hettwer wrote: > >> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:37:07 +0100, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav <des@des.no> > > wrote: > >>> "Sam Fourman Jr." <sfourman@gmail.com> writes: > >>>> I wonder if having a petition signed by a bunch of people would > >>>> help this along, because I believe that amd64 3D accel on nvidia, > >>>> is life or death to PC-BSD in a year or so. > >>> What, exactly, do you think a petition would achieve? Can a > >>> petition write code? Can a petition pay somebody to write code? > >>> Petitions may work in a democracy, but neither nVidia nor FreeBSD > >>> is a democracy. > >> While this is true (by the way, what is FreeBSD? > > This is so wrong headed, I couldn't avoid commenting. FreeBSD is in no = way a > democracy. At best it is an oligarchy (if I have my definitions right?), > meaning that it;'s run by a smaller set of folks who actually do the codi= ng, > and those folks are run 80% by what interests them, and only a VERY much > smaller amount by what users want. Even ports is like this, although I w= ill > admit that users there have more input, it's still much below 50%, becaus= e > it's really up to what the porters want to do, NOT what users want. > > That fella doing all those polls, I have this suspicion that he expects h= is > polls to have some effect. The only effect it's going to have, is giving= that > person and only that person, so guidance, no other coder is likely to be > guided by it more than the amounts I ahve listed above. FreeBSD is not n= ow, > and never has been a democracy. > The only reason I suggested a petition is to demonstrate to Nvidia that thee is a viable FreeBSD / PC-BSD userbase for amd64 my thinking was, they already have a i386 driver so an amd64 driver should not be too hard to get them to make. I wonder if nvidia would sponsor a bounty type fund, something like FreeBSD users donate 50% of the cost and nvidia donates 50% plus maintains it long term. in a private e-mail I have already asked the PC-BSD guys if they would consider sponsoring a bounty. Sam Fourman Jr.
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