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Date:      Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:27:31 -0700
From:      Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
To:        Artem Koutchine <matrix@itlegion.ru>
Cc:        freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: twe driver and 3dm
Message-ID:  <20040410012731.GA64574@xor.obsecurity.org>
In-Reply-To: <003e01c41e27$1f0c8ad0$0c00a8c0@artem>
References:  <003e01c41e27$1f0c8ad0$0c00a8c0@artem>

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On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 03:38:00PM +0400, Artem Koutchine wrote:
> Well, during discussion in other thread we have figured that
> twe driver is actually pretty harmless and does not cause kernel
> panic.And I also figured that accessing extended error log of 3dm
> via web interface  causes kernel to panic when the link is clicked
> very fast several times.=20
>=20
> Here is what i think. 3DM is only an application and IMHO
> error in an application must not cause kernel panic but such
> applications must be terminated w/o futher consiquences to
> the OS running.So, the problem with kernel panic
> when using extended error log in 3dm , again IMHO,
> is cause by either buggy kernel or buggy driver. I mean, 3dm
> passes some data to the driver which makes do bad things or
> 3dm passes some data to the kernel syscall which make kernel
> panic. Either way, *IMHO*, the part that must be fixed first is
> not 3dm, because it is just an external process relative to the kernel.
>=20
> What do you think?

I think you need to stop self-diagnosing problems and concentrate on
accurately reporting the symptoms.

  http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#symptoms

Kris

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