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Date:      Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:39:12 -0700
From:      John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com>
To:        Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>
Cc:        freebsd-current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: [rfc] removing the NDISulator
Message-ID:  <20131023203912.GD94140@funkthat.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-VmonHcksMgQZ%2BmiLu%2BL60auRyTOAcENBFkpaA1xEWJXeQRw@mail.gmail.com>
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Adrian Chadd wrote this message on Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:11 -0700:
> On 23 October 2013 11:09, Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org> wrote:
> 
> > Eh, having taken a stab at porting the bwl blob already, I would strongly
> >> oppose removing NDIS.  If you do that I will just stop using my netbook
> >> with a Broadcom part altogether as I wouldn't be able to use it to try to
> >> test bwl changes.  The NDIS thing is a bit hackish, but it is quite useful
> >> for a lot of folks.
> >>
> >>  I have to agree.  Deprecation != motivation.
> 
> 
> I can pull out examples of this not holding true:
> 
> * all the giant locking in drivers
> * all the giant locking in VFS
> 
> People did pop up and claim ownership of things they cared about. Some
> stuff died, some stuff didn't. There was enough of a motivation by us to
> kill giant off in these pathways so things could continue to evolve. We
> didn't leave the GIANT crutch in forever.

I'd say that locking a drive is a LOT easier than writing a driver
from scratch, esspecially if you don't have the specs..  This of course
coming from experience with both...

-- 
  John-Mark Gurney				Voice: +1 415 225 5579

     "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."



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