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Date:      Mon, 14 May 2001 22:28:45 -0700
From:      Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
To:        Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
Cc:        Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>, John Baxter <jbaxter@mmcable.com>, "Dan Mahoney, System Admin" <danm@prime.gushi.org>, questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: onitoring named
Message-ID:  <20010514222845.C95631@xor.obsecurity.org>
In-Reply-To: <006b01c0dcff$2c7dff80$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>; from tedm@toybox.placo.com on Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:23:28PM -0700
References:  <20010514200140.A93481@xor.obsecurity.org> <006b01c0dcff$2c7dff80$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>

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On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:23:28PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> >Both: >95% of the reported problems with named crashes on FreeBSD
> >lists in the past 4 months have been penetration attempts, or at least
> >occurred to people running vulnerable versions of named with symptoms
> >perfectly consistent to being attacked.  Therefore this is the best
> >initial diagnosis for people reporting problems with their named,
> >until they go further and rule it out by indicating that they're
> >already running 8.2.3-REL or a version of 9.x.  At that point more
> >detailed analysis is obviously required (which perhaps might be better
> >carried out on the bind support mailing lists).
>=20
> The only problem with this statistic (assuming the 95% is
> accurate) is that for it to be a valid indicator, this would
> require that all the people having problems with bind
> did, in fact, query the FreeBSD lists first, instead of
> posting in the newsgroups or mailing lists.

Please note that I specifically did not say "95% of all people with
BIND problems", I qualified the statistic by restricting it to the
places I observed the data from, namely the FreeBSD lists.  I would
not, for example, extend this expectation to people reporting BIND
problems to the BIND support list, because it's clearly a different
domain.  It is only a valid indicator for a) FreeBSD support lists and
b) at the present time, until the trend substantially changes (maybe
in 6 months or so).

Kris

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