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Date:      Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:47:42 -0500
From:      Dan Nelson <dnelson@emsphone.com>
To:        "Scott I. Remick" <scott@computeralt.com>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: ipfw vs. MS Proxy
Message-ID:  <19990601134742.B3289@dan.emsphone.com>
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.56.19990601142406.03508710@mail.computeralt.com>; from "Scott I. Remick" on Tue Jun  1 14:29:42 GMT 1999
References:  <4.2.0.56.19990601135626.034fa010@mail.computeralt.com> <4.2.0.56.19990601135626.034fa010@mail.computeralt.com> <19990601130713.A3289@dan.emsphone.com> <4.2.0.56.19990601142406.03508710@mail.computeralt.com>

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In the last episode (Jun 01), Scott I. Remick said:
> At 02:07 PM 6/1/1999 , you wrote:
> >ipfw is packet filtering, not proxying.  For that you probably want
> >squid and/or natd.
> 
> This was my understanding as well.  I've actually looked at squid.

Squid is not strictly necessary, but the caching can really help if you
have enough people inside the firewall.
 
> They're looking at it from a security standpoint.  Which I agree with
> totally... I've always wanted a firewall.  There never seems to be
> money available for my FreeBSD projects, but if someone describes the
> same need using MS "solutions", then everyone gets excited :(
> 
> The idea is to do just what a firewall does: filter traffic between
> our private network and the outside world.  I'd like to see a FreeBSD
> box with 2 NICs dropped into place, running ipfw, to perform this
> task fairly invisibly.  They'd like to use MS solutions because
> "that's what we sell" and they don't like FreeBSD solutions because
> NOEKI (No One Else Knows It) except for me.  Grrr.

( ask them how often they expect to be rebooting this NT box and
disabling net access for everyone :)

So packet filtering is all that's needed?  Then ipfw can certainly do
what you need.  Take a look at /etc/rc.firewall for a simple config.
you can even make the FreeBSD box completely invisible by using Luigi
Rizzo's bridging mods; I think there's also a sysctl that makes the
kernel not decrement the hopcount on IP packets :)

Heck; if all you need is packet filtering, do that on your router.

If you have more hosts than Inet-routable IPs, or if you have a private
address space, then you'll need natd in addition to ipfw.

	-Dan Nelson
	dnelson@emsphone.com


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