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Date:      Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:24:57 -0500 (EST)
From:      Alfred Perlstein <bright@rush.net>
To:        Tenacious <tMind@bigfoot.com>
Cc:        "Scott I. Remick" <scott@computeralt.com>, Dan Nelson <dnelson@emsphone.com>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: ipfw vs. MS Proxy
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.990601152113.9491x-100000@cygnus.rush.net>
In-Reply-To: <00e901beac5e$fe5c07a0$3c29a8c0@tci.rdo>

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On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Tenacious wrote:

> > On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Scott I. Remick wrote:
> >
> > > At 02:07 PM 6/1/1999 , you wrote:
> > > This was my understanding as well.  I've actually looked at squid.
> > >
> > > >Exactly what are the advertised features of MS Proxy, and what are the
> > > >features you are looking for?
> > >
> > > They're looking at it from a security standpoint.  Which I agree with
> > > totally... I've always wanted a firewall.  There never seems to be money
> > > available for my FreeBSD projects, but if someone describes the same
> need
> > > using MS "solutions", then everyone gets excited :(
> >
> > I'm quite sure MS-proxy is the correct choice for you, it's VERY
> > cool, it'll even proxy outside connections INTO your network!
> 
> You need more hardware resources for MS-proxy than proxy for BSD.

The above statement was sacasm directed at MS-proxy's "security".

Search bugtraq.

see:

> > Do yourself a big favor and search bugtraq for this, supposeddly
> > people were able to fool ms-proxy into making internal connections
> > to proxied networks by spoofing proxy requests.
> >
> > > The idea is to do just what a firewall does: filter traffic between our
> > > private network and the outside world.  I'd like to see a FreeBSD box
> with
> > > 2 NICs dropped into place, running ipfw, to perform this task fairly
> > > invisibly.  They'd like to use MS solutions because "that's what we
> sell"
> > > and they don't like FreeBSD solutions because NOEKI (No One Else Knows
> It)
> > > except for me.  Grrr.
> >
> > Buy them the Complete FreeBSD.  Explain that you'll save them
> > 2000$+cost of ms-proxy.  IPFW syntax isn't that horrible to
> > master.
> 
> Don't forget the cost of NT Server.

2000$ == NT server. no?

> > > I'm not totally up on either, but I've got some concerns that MS Proxy
> is
> > > even up for the task that they want to give it.  Sure, it can proxy and
> > > cache HTTP info and the like, but I don't think it's much of a
> firewall...
> > > am I correct?  Hopefully someone can help me out here.
> >
> > Using MS products as a firewall solution is cool, because when
> > you blue screen, you effectively completely firewall off your
> > entire operation.
> 
> Blue screen is part of the Windows.

*nod*

It'd be cool if you could customize the colors ala the Imac. :)

-Alfred



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