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Date:      Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:55:05 +0200
From:      Sameh Ghane <sw@anthologeek.net>
To:        Josef Karthauser <joe@pavilion.net>
Cc:        Matthew Jacob <mjacob@feral.com>, Akinori -Aki- MUSHA <knu@idaemons.org>, andrews@technologist.com, mckusick@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/contrib/softupdates softdep.h ffs_softdep.c
Message-ID:  <20000628085505.A31310@anthologeek.net>
In-Reply-To: <20000628012956.B19558@pavilion.net>; from joe@pavilion.net on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 01:29:56AM %2B0100
References:  <20000627172831.G32373@pavilion.net> <Pine.BSF.4.05.10006270929120.25569-100000@semuta.feral.com> <20000628012956.B19558@pavilion.net>

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Le Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 01:29:56AM +0100, Josef Karthauser ecrivit:
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 09:29:24AM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote:
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure.... I have a feeling that there are softupdate problems
> > > running under SMP.  A number of times this year I've lost whole filesystems
> > > on an SMP machines. :(
> > 
> > Really? Have you told Kirk?
> > 
> 
> No because I've not had a chance to test it - it's on a production
> webserver.  It's running 3.4 currently, and I've had a couple of
> crashes over the last year.  The first one produced a lot of
> 'SOFTUPDATE INCONSISTANCY' errors and lost a lot of files - we had
> to recover from tape and diff to see which files had been lost.

> More recently a friend of mine was having crashes doing a make
> world under 4.0 with SMP and softupdate.  Switching softupdates
> off caused the crashes to go away.
> 
> The thing that worries me is that softupdates is supposed to render
> the filesystem safe so that if a crash occurs we only loose recent
> data.  In both my cases we lost data that hadn't been touched for
> years - i.e. ports tree data that hasn't ever been touched.  It
> definitely wasn't in the buffer cache before the crash. !
> 
> Is anyone else here using softupdates in an SMP environment?

Yes, without any problem (80 days uptime, and so on) on a 4.0-STABLE server.

Last time I had a softupdate inconsistancy during a fsck was because of poor
RAM. It was not a SMP server, but the machine crashed every 2 days, but other
problems (SIG11) were already present.
I changed the RAM, and from this time the machine is up.

We also never had any problem with sofupdates activated on mono-processor
production servers. From the game server to the mail server. Using ccd or not,
from 3.4 to 5.0 servers.

Except the inconsistency caused by defficient RAM, we never met a problem with
sofupdates, with about 30 production servers, and not less than 4 different
versions of FreeBSD.

Sameh.


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